Ex-DC for Joe Pa charged with multiple sex offenses on minors

[Ti Rider]

Originally Posted by Saintaholic

Is it true that the DA that was in position to press chargers way back when suddenly went missing some time ago and has been presumed dead?

Wonder if this has anything to do with it.

This whole story gets more surreal by the minute. Yes, the DA who originally investigated Sandusky mysteriously disappeared and was declared dead this July -

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind..._da_ray_g.html

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by HennessyRob

Joe Pa needs to be fired and every win he got since he didn't go to the cops should be taken away.
How do you not go to the cops?
Isn't it convient that the coach that walked in on the rape in the shower got a huge promotion from note book holder to head recruiter?
Who had the D.A Murdered?

I am not defending anything or anyone, but in all fairness, I could see myself going to administration before going to the cops.

[billinms]

Maybe so, but not long before. Once it became obvious nothing was happening beyond telling Sandusky to stop bringing children on campus Paterno (or anybody with knowledge) should have gone to the police.

[Saintaholic]

Originally Posted by Ti Rider

This whole story gets more surreal by the minute. Yes, the DA who originally investigated Sandusky mysteriously disappeared and was declared dead this July -

Former Centre County DA Ray Gricar's reasons for not pursuing case against Jerry Sandusky are unknown | PennLive.com

Unreal...Sundusky would definitely have the motive (especially if the DA has more intimate knowledge than what he reported).

At this point, I wouldn't put anything past Sandusky. He is obviously capable of ANYTHING and will conspire to do ANYTHING.

[Ti Rider]

Originally Posted by where yat brah

A justifiably scathing article about PSU prez Spanier:

Penn State

That whole story seems to give Paterno a pass - it's gist is - hey Joe Pa is just a feeble 84 year old man and he reported it to Spanier who did nothing. Paterno as the highest profile member of this ugly situation deserves to take a large portion of the hit. Here's why - Sandusky was a member of his staff. It's not like it was some low level peon in the AD's office that Paterno barely knew who was raping these children. Sandusky was a with him for 30 years. Finally and most damning - 2002 wasn't the first time Sandusky had been accused. He had been investigated in the late 90's for the same thing. No, he was never prosecuted but "where there's smoke" never once occurred to Paterno when Sandusky kept bringing young boys to the Penn St. facilities and then when that young assistant told him what he'd seen? Nope, Joe Pa let Sandusky continue using the team's facilities (reports have Sandusky working out there less than two weeks ago). Paterno deserves this fire storm because of what is alleged. He might deserve a little more sympathy had this just been recruiting violations, player payments, etc. but he lost any chance to retire with dignity by not following up on a horrible crime he knew about. (It's far worse than I thought for Paterno - http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pe...133418383.html)

Originally Posted by Saintaholic

Unreal...Sundusky would definitely have the motive (especially if the DA has more intimate knowledge than what he reported).

At this point, I wouldn't put anything past Sandusky. He is obviously capable of ANYTHING and will conspire to do ANYTHING.

Lots of speculation that Gricar may have commited suicide because he was between a rock and hard place (prosecute and he would bring down beloved/worshipped cult heroes Joe Pa and Sandusky or live with the guilt of letting a child rapist walk to continue with his crimes) OR he was killed by someone intent on protecting the Penn St. football program OR he was paid to destroy any damning evidence and disappear. It does sound like a bad TV movie plot.

[Saintaholic]

But despite creative efforts by law enforcement, there haven't been any credible leads since the four-year anniversary, when police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer."

Maybe this guy just decided to disappear because he knew all this stuff was about to come out? Either that, or Sandusky bumped him.

This is just too coincidental for it not to be connected somehow.

About as coincidental as this stuff suddenly coming out the week after Joe Pa became the all-time winningest coach.

[NCSaint]

Joe Pa sounds bad enough but local Police and others are really the ones who look bad (and rightfully so).

[coldseat]

Originally Posted by obwhiteo

Matt Millan just broke down talking about it live on espn. SANDUSKY was his d cord. In the 70s at penn state... Pretty heavy stuff

He is all over the place in this interview. One second he's defending Paterno and the program and asking to let the legal system play out, the next second he's getting emotional and talking about if we can't protect our kids, we as our society are pathetic. Well, Paterno, the GA, the Athletic Director, the President, and many others had the opportunity to protect the kids years ago, but they kept there mouth shut and allowed more kids to get molested. It's sickening.

[Broknbusted]

For those outside Pennsylvania, let me just say this is ALL over the news here. Let me clear some things up that weren't reported right in this thread:

The 1st accusation against Sandusky came in 1999. There were allegations again in 2000. JoePa was told by a grad assistant in 2002 that he witnessed Sandusky in the shower with a young boy. Joe told his superior. This continued up the chain to include Athletic Director Tim Curley and University official Gary Schultz, both of whom were charged yesterday with perjury and failure to report a crime.

Although Sandusky "retired" in 1999, he had access to the Penn State locker room as late as last week and was a regular on campus. He was officially bannned from contact with young children by the charity involved with this in 2009.

All in all, NO ONE thought to call the police in over a dozen years.

[where yat brah]

Originally Posted by Broknbusted

JoePa was told by a grad assistant in 2002 that he witnessed Sandusky in the shower with a young boy. Joe told his superior. This continued up the chain to include Athletic Director Tim Curley and University official Gary Schultz, both of whom were charged yesterday with perjury and failure to report a crime.

According to Joe Pa, he was told Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy.

If I'm not mistaken, the GA told Joe Pa that he saw Sandusky having anal sex with a young boy in the shower.

Therein lies problem.

As far as no one notifying police for a dozen years, I believe there is evidence that police were contacted and were even on the phone while one of the victim's mother called and talked to Sandusky. I forget what year, but I believe in the early 2000's.

[Broknbusted]

Originally Posted by where yat brah

According to Joe Pa, he was told Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy.

If I'm not mistaken, the GA told Joe Pa that he saw Sandusky having anal sex with a young boy in the shower.

Therein lies problem.

As far as no one notifying police for a dozen years, I believe there is evidence that police were contacted and were even on the phone while one of the victim's mother called and talked to Sandusky. I forget what year, but I believe in the early 2000's.

I hadn't heard that the police were contacted. In fact the one of the biggest issues raised is why the police weren't involved earlier. The Pa State police commisioner Frank Noonan even made this statement yesterday:


"Somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child," Noonan said.
"I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us."

[Saintaholic]

Originally Posted by where yat brah

According to Joe Pa, he was told Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy.

If I'm not mistaken, the GA told Joe Pa that he saw Sandusky having anal sex with a young boy in the shower.

Therein lies problem.

As far as no one notifying police for a dozen years, I believe there is evidence that police were contacted and were even on the phone while one of the victim's mother called and talked to Sandusky. I forget what year, but I believe in the early 2000's.

I believe I heard this morning that it was the DA (the one that went missing) that was on the phone with one of the victim's mother.

[Vrill]

This whole story makes me feel very ill.

[coldseat]

Victim One

Victim One met Sandusky through the Second Mile — a charity for needy children that Sandusky started — and quickly got drawn into his world of big-time college football: gifts, trips, sporting events, and hanging out with a guy who seemed to be loved by everyone.

But his mother said it came at a price.

The Patriot-News will not identify either women or their sons in keeping with our policy not to name victims of sexual assault. The mother of Victim One specifically asked that other media respect her request for no more interviews.

She brought the psychologist who has been helping her son cope with the trauma to the interview.

Almost from day one, psychologist Michael Gillum has met regularly with the boy and counseled him through the protracted police investigation.

Mothers of two of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims lash out at Penn State officials' handling of scandal | PennLive.com

Two of the mothers of Sandusky's victims came forward and talked to the press to give their son's and families side of the story. They're described as Victim 1 and Victim 6 in the grand jury presentment. I think these young men are very brave, especially Victim 1 who spurred the current investigation that's bringing all of this to light. It's just sad that there were so many opportunities to bring this scumbag to justice before now.

[Gunny_J]

Originally Posted by Vrill

This whole story makes me feel very ill.

Me too! I have been very affected by the story all day. The more I read, the more I am convinced all persons involved are guilty of failing our children. Criminally charged or not, all involved were wrong - morally speaking. I would turn my own wife - who I love more than anything - into the police if I thought she was molesting my kids.

Think about this: For more than 40 years, Joe Paterno sat in parents' living rooms and told them he would take care of their kids in his program to get their talents to his school. He lied! He wasn't taking care of children, he was taking of his program and himself!!! That's why he didn't see this whole thing through to law enforcement.

And let me tell you something else. I have a boss who is not in the same morale zip code as I am. If I reported something of this nature to him and I figured out he took no action, I would go over his head. He might fire me temporariliy, but eventually he would be thrown out of the university and someone else would be glad to have someone of morale principal working for them, especially when the news hits the National level.