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Old 12-05-2011, 07:23 PM   #71
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The pressure is on Alabama in this game, as strange as that sounds. LSU already beat Alabama once this year and if LSU loses, their season is not a total failure due to being SEC Champs. However, Alabama's season would be a total failure if LSU beat them.

Also, LSU players and coaches are gonna be hearing how Alabama beat themselves and how LSU didnt really beat Alabama leading up to the game. A lot of people are gonna be picking Alabama to win this game too.

It looks like LSU is opening up as 1 point favorites and that # could go -/+ as we go forward in the coming weeks and it wont shock me if Alabama is actually favored before its all said and done.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:22 PM   #72
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To me this is no better than those idiot Chicago fans or for that matter anyone making Katrina jokes.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:48 PM   #73
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BS. The pressure is equal and LSU has just as much to lose as Alabama. I can't believe anyone would believe this garbage. Also, the betting public will dictate the betting line. It always has for those of you who don't know how the sportsbook operates. If LSU is favored by one, well if people start laying money on Alabama that line will shrink.
How can you say the pressure is equal for a team that has already beat the other team in the same year? Nick Saban and Alabama will have more pressure going into this game, period.

LSU has already proved that they can beat Alabama. Alabama on the other hand, has not.
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... and that is precisely the problem with the BCS-- it should not matter what you, I, Kirk Herbstreit, or my Grandmother "thinks" would happen... Did you think that the New York Giants could beat the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl a couple yrs back?? If so, then you are part of a teeny-tiny fraction of America... My point is (and don't anyone misinterpret my post as 'whining' about playing Bama, i'm looking forward to it, bring them on)-- but a system that relies on what people 'think' might happen, or that relies on 'eyeball tests' is pretty much a fraudulent system.
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Why does Penn State not "count" this year yet they are a program that beat LSU less then a year ago? Obviously, a lot of those players are still there.
I don't have the numbers, that season Penn State was a very senior-heavy team. The following season the team looked and played a lot differently. Two years later and it's a different team altogether.
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I don't have the numbers, that season Penn State was a very senior-heavy team. The following season the team looked and played a lot differently. Two years later and it's a different team altogether.
You're probably right.

Still, if some are going to say Penn State doesn't count this year presumably because of their easy schedule to get to 9-3, I think you'd have to say the same thing about OSU's win over KSU, who's record was a complete mirage as well.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:24 PM   #77
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Why does Penn State not "count" this year yet they are a program that beat LSU less then a year ago? Obviously, a lot of those players are still there.
they beat LSU two years ago on an absolutely pathetic excuse for a football field. the speed advantage was negated due to the conditions. besides.. that penn state team is not the same as the one this year and the LSU team that year was nowhere close to the LSU team this year. so again.. what does penn state two years ago have to do with right now? and why does a certain game against LSU carry any relevance in a case talking about alabama?
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they beat LSU two years ago on an absolutely pathetic excuse for a football field. the speed advantage was negated due to the conditions. besides.. that penn state team is not the same as the one this year and the LSU team that year was nowhere close to the LSU team this year. so again.. what does penn state two years ago have to do with right now? and why does a certain game against LSU carry any relevance in a case talking about alabama?
Did you completely miss the post I was responding to?

Maybe you should of paid attention to that.
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Did you completely miss the post I was responding to?

Maybe you should of paid attention to that.
you tried to boost the merit of alabama's win over penn state this year by bringing up a game that happened two years ago and implying that it's still a very similar team. that's horrible logic and that's what i was replying to. is there anything else i need to make clear for you?
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you tried to boost the merit of alabama's win over penn state this year by bringing up a game that happened two years ago and implying that it's still a very similar team. that's horrible logic and that's what i was replying to. is there anything else i need to make clear for you?
Well, that team that beat LSU was what? 9-3? 10-2? Something like that. This year's is 9-3. What's the huge difference that makes them not count this year as a good win? I realize the excuses about the field apply here but PSU still plays in the Big 10 just like they did that year.

Regardless, that was an afterthought one liner after the main point of my post that had nothing to do with LSU nor mentioned them.

PSU isn't a garbage program and is no less of a win then OSU's win over KSU.

The entire discussion was started by the fact that someone basically said the PSU win wasn't a good win. Of course it was a good win.
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I'm surprised UGA isn't complaining a lot, they got told in 07 they couldn't be considered because they didn't win their conference even though many had them as the 2nd best team in the country.
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I'm surprised UGA isn't complaining a lot, they got told in 07 they couldn't be considered because they didn't win their conference even though many had them as the 2nd best team in the country.
Eh, they were competing for a spot against a team with the same record that DID win the conference, played an extra more than them and eventually won the national championship.

Alabama is also the only 1-loss team in the country where their loss came in OT to the #1 team in the country. LSU has blown out EVERY single other team they've played this year and they've pretty much waxed as much of the top 25 this year as possible.

What's to complain about?
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This how it's been done in college football since, uh, forever.






oh, the 'that's the way it's always been done' argument.. Ok, then that makes it totally fine.


if college football isn't careful, the purists and traditionalists who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future will ruin it, like with baseball.
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Well, that team that beat LSU was what? 9-3? 10-2? Something like that. This year's is 9-3. What's the huge difference that makes them not count this year as a good win? I realize the excuses about the field apply here but PSU still plays in the Big 10 just like they did that year.

Regardless, that was an afterthought one liner after the main point of my post that had nothing to do with LSU nor mentioned them.

PSU isn't a garbage program and is no less of a win then OSU's win over KSU.

The entire discussion was started by the fact that someone basically said the PSU win wasn't a good win. Of course it was a good win.
They are 9-3 this year with no wins over a ranked opponent. Kansas State is 10-2 having beat 2 ranked opponents. They are absolutely not a quality win this year. If you would like to discuss the historical significance of them beating a mediocre LSU team 2 years ago then feel free, but it is completely irrelevant to this year.

And for the record, I didn't basically say anything. I flat out stated it. Very clearly. I will do it again.

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Arkansas is a good win for Bama that I overlooked. Penn State is not a good win. You might as well claim Auburn and Texas A&M as good wins for the respective schools if you want to count Penn State.
Penn State is not a good win this year. I don't give two ***** if they have been great in the past. This year they are a middling team that does not count as a quality win.
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