Jordan Jefferson is HOTT garbage....

[Dre]

Originally Posted by KikkomanSauce

Well, think of it this way, JJ got himself into serious legal trouble. I know his charged was reduced, but he still put the team in jeopardy by getting into that stupid fight. He was supposed to be the starter, and was actually suspended for games. Yet, he is welcomed back with open arms, regaining his role.

Lee, while I concede screwed up, hasn't been declared ineligible at all. Yet, while Jefferson regained his role, Lee has been pretty much benched. That's unfair treatment towards a guy who played well last year and this year, and who is in his senior season.

He has seen no significant playing time the last 3 weeks, and I don't recall him even having a pass attempt. Even on Senior Day he was denied. Considering both of their actions and consequences, I don't buy that it should be this big of a punishment. Les is just being as **** towards the guy.

You have no idea what is going on. And since when do fans get all up in arms over a player's treatment? I think in fairness, you should be up in arms that Greg Shaw hasn't been playing more. It is almost like Les just used him when the starter was injured and now is being a **** to the guy by not letting him play

[VVextreme]

How the HELL can you have seven "3 and outs" in a row for an entire half of football and still keep your job?

Lee must be in danger of flunking out. That's the only plausible explanation for JJ to keep playing tonight.

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by VVextreme

He still SIGNED to play with LSU. Who wouldn't take millions of dollars to go play pro baseball though over playing college? I mean come on! But dude officially signed with LSU, so he counts.

Jamarcus Russell was highly recruited, but he was Nick Saban's recruit so I didn't list him. Matt Flynn was a pretty good recruit too, but not as big as JR.

RP and Shep were the #1 recruits in the country when they signed. RP helped lead us to a conference and national title while he was here.

Les Miles just picked to go after the wrong kids, but he has signed highly rated QBs.

Mettenberger was the #1 QB transfer in the country, we signed him. Mark Richt knows QBs and we got Mett. He's probably the biggest reason not to come to LSU, because he rocks so hard and recruits want early playing time.

If Kiel is smart, he'll come to LSU. We just wasted too much time chasing bad ideas at QB.

LSU has gotten some 4 star QBs, but other than Russel and Sheppard, they have not gotten 5 stars and Russel isn't even playing QB. An, no, if you don't even take a snap in practice, you do not count. Do you deny that the position that has held LSU back from more Championships has been QB? I mean, this team has had a dominant defense and running game for years. The only issue they ever have is at the QB position.

But, yeah, LSU would make a lot of sense for a guy like Kiel. He could easily be the starter by the time that he is a Redshirt Sophomore. The question is why don't more of the top 7 QB want to play for LSU? It can't be the talent around them, because few other teams have the WR talent that LSU has and it's not that they are conservative. Other than early this year, they have had a fairly wide open attack. So, what is it?

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by VVextreme

How the HELL can you have seven "3 and outs" in a row for an entire half of football and still keep your job?

Lee must be in danger of flunking out. That's the only plausible explanation for JJ to keep playing tonight.

First, because those weren't all Jefferson's fault. The truth is that the O-Line wasn't giving the RBs any holes in the first half and that was as much to blame for no offense in the first half as Jefferson missing receivers by 3 yards. Second, because Lee apparently stopped going to class after the Bama game and is in danger of failing out. Third, because Les clearly has lost all confidence in Lee after the Bama game and the way he reacted to playing a bad game.

[peresich]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

Third, because Les clearly has lost all confidence in Lee after the Bama game and the way he reacted to playing a bad game.

We can speculate about rumors and all of that garbage all day. The bottom line is that we don't get to see the meetings and practices that the coaching staff use to decide who gets to play and who doesn't. There is obviously something going on that has caused Les to decide that Lee does not deserve more playing time.

[WhatDat]

Must LSU fans always have something to complain about? Can you not just enjoy what this team has accomplished? Last year, LSU fans were upset because Les wasn't winning "the right way." This year, I guess the only thing left to complain about is Lee vs. Jefferson. This team may go down as the best college team in history - enjoy it and stop the freaking whining - jeesh!

[Joseph Guidry]

I think what we saw in the first half of the Georgia game was LSU coming off a big victory against Arkansas while looking ahead to the BCSCG and, therefore, coming out flat. Gary Danielson said he thought Jefferson was nervous due to the pressure of keeping the team undefeated. Maybe, as his throws were high, but I don't think the O line was nervous. I think they were just a bit flat and that the formation we were running played into Georgia's strenghs. The second half was a totally different story, once the team got focused on the task at hand. They also adjusted a bit to Georgia's defensive front by eliminating the fullback and using a two TE set with Jefferson moving into the shotgun, which confused the defense because they didn't know if he was going to keep the ball and run or hand off. That confusion created some gaps for Hilliard, and the rest is history. I think we'll see more option against Alabama. Yes, $aban will try to prepare his team for it, but the fact is that their big LBs don't have the speed to play the option on the edges, so they can practice all they want but we'll still have a personnel advantage there. I expect to see Blue as well as Ford running the option due to his speed. This is where Jefferson's mobility will be a big advantage. Also, Jefferson has tended to play his best games in postseason bowls. Miles will have him ready. 14-0 is all that matters now, baby! Geaux Tigers!!!

[MLU]

Originally Posted by Anteros77

Also, if a recruit isn't going to come here because he's scared the fans might boo him if he sucks, he's not going to amount to much no matter where he goes.

You're right. HS kids should definitely ignore seeing college kids being treated like ****. The fans are justified for their behavior. I mean, what HS kid makes a decision on which college to attend based on how they're going to be treated and the environment they're surrounded by?

Are you seriously going to sit there and try to make that argument?

[peresich]

Originally Posted by MLU

You're right. HS kids should definitely ignore seeing college kids being treated like ****. The fans are justified for their behavior. I mean, what HS kid makes a decision on which college to attend based on how they're going to be treated and the environment they're surrounded by?

Are you seriously going to sit there and try to make that argument?

I am going to make a suggestion to you and several other of the more level-headed LSU fans on here. Today we get to do three things. We get to celebrate being the 2011 SEC Champions. We get to celebrate going 13-0 for the first time in school history. We get to either listen to the incredible crying we will hear from Tuscaloosa if OSU gets by them for the BCS game or we get to look forward to the deafening crying when we beat them again for the title.

Because of all of that, we should be able to ignore the less desirable of our fanbase that can't seem to figure out that they do not actually know more about LSU football players than Les Miles does.

[MLU]

That's a solid suggestion. I have a "Morning After" thread to start anyway...

[VVextreme]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

LSU has gotten some 4 star QBs, but other than Russel and Sheppard, they have not gotten 5 stars and Russel isn't even playing QB. An, no, if you don't even take a snap in practice, you do not count. Do you deny that the position that has held LSU back from more Championships has been QB? I mean, this team has had a dominant defense and running game for years. The only issue they ever have is at the QB position.

But, yeah, LSU would make a lot of sense for a guy like Kiel. He could easily be the starter by the time that he is a Redshirt Sophomore. The question is why don't more of the top 7 QB want to play for LSU? It can't be the talent around them, because few other teams have the WR talent that LSU has and it's not that they are conservative. Other than early this year, they have had a fairly wide open attack. So, what is it?

Zach Lee was our guy. We went all in with Zach Lee that year. He would have been a great recruit if it weren't for the fact that he had millions waiting for him to go elsewhere. Les Miles/Crowten should have focused on a more realistic QB, but he didn't.

Les Miles also went all in with Shep. He was our guy and a highly rated guy at that too. That was mishandled from the very get go.

I think our coaching staff (whether that's Miles or it was Crowten, I guess we'll see) is just bad at picking QBs. The point is we've signed high caliber QBs, but there's no way you're going to sign multiple five star QBs all the time. There's probably only two or three 5-star QBs in a given year in the entire country. I've never counted them, but I know there aren't many! And just because you're ranked as a 5-star, doesn't make you play like a 5-star.

Mettenberger was a great sign from a talent standpoint, so was RP & Zach Lee. Once you get them to sign on the dotted line, it's up to the coaching staff to ensure they pan out and produce on the field. I think we're talking separate issues. We've signed plenty of talent at the QB position. Our coaching staff just hasn't been able to convert it into on the field production. That's our problem. Poor QB planning/coaching.

[VVextreme]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

First, because those weren't all Jefferson's fault. The truth is that the O-Line wasn't giving the RBs any holes in the first half and that was as much to blame for no offense in the first half as Jefferson missing receivers by 3 yards. Second, because Lee apparently stopped going to class after the Bama game and is in danger of failing out. Third, because Les clearly has lost all confidence in Lee after the Bama game and the way he reacted to playing a bad game.

So he puts his entire confidence in a guy who's already been suspended THIS year right before the biggest season opener in LSU history for a few games?

Short of knowing for an almost absolute fact that Lee will be ineligible for the BCSCG, there's no reason to place all of your marbles into either QB.

At EVERY other position, Les Miles rides the hot hand. Why not continue to do that with our QB position? In the ENTIRE game, JJ only had 30 friggin yards passing. That's just pathetic no matter how much you want to sugar-coat it. Jarrett Lee has played well enough this year to at least have been given a shot to see what he could do in the first half or at the very least should have been allowed to start the second half.

The only way I'm ok with this treatment of Lee is if Les Miles knows he's not going to be eligible for the BCSCG. Then Les Miles made the right call as JJ clearly needs a lot of work.

If it weren't for Lee, we wouldn't be 13-0 right now. For all those defending JJ, just remember that little fact. When someone contributes so much to your program as Lee has the last four years, I believe they should have been rewarded on Senior Night and during a Championship game (especially when they can help you even more towards winning.)

If the roles were reversed, I'd want to see JJ play in both of those games as well. It's Senior Night and the friggin Championship. If you can make it happen, you do it. And when I say play, I mean ACTUALLY play.

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by VVextreme

So he puts his entire confidence in a guy who's already been suspended THIS year right before the biggest season opener in LSU history for a few games?

Short of knowing for an almost absolute fact that Lee will be ineligible for the BCSCG, there's no reason to place all of your marbles into either QB.

At EVERY other position, Les Miles rides the hot hand. Why not continue to do that with our QB position? In the ENTIRE game, JJ only had 30 friggin yards passing. That's just pathetic no matter how much you want to sugar-coat it. Jarrett Lee has played well enough this year to at least have been given a shot to see what he could do in the first half or at the very least should have been allowed to start the second half.

The only way I'm ok with this treatment of Lee is if Les Miles knows he's not going to be eligible for the BCSCG. Then Les Miles made the right call as JJ clearly needs a lot of work.

If it weren't for Lee, we wouldn't be 13-0 right now. For all those defending JJ, just remember that little fact. When someone contributes so much to your program as Lee has the last four years, I believe they should have been rewarded on Senior Night and during a Championship game (especially when they can help you even more towards winning.)

If the roles were reversed, I'd want to see JJ play in both of those games as well. It's Senior Night and the friggin Championship. If you can make it happen, you do it. And when I say play, I mean ACTUALLY play.

And, if it weren't for Jefferson they wouldn't be 13-0 either. Both QBs were required this year, but at this point Les is clearly more comfortable with Jefferson no matter how bad he is playing. I mean, it's pretty telling that Jefferson played that bad in the first half and Les still did not put Lee in the game.

And, considering his record at LSU, especially this year, it's hard to argue with him. And, from my point of view, looking at Lee on the side line, he does not look ready to play. He appears to be moping around for the entire game. He does not seem happy to be out there and that's not the kind of attitude that you want your QB to have.

As far as "owing" Lee something, he got what you get when you are "owed" something. He got to take snaps in his last home game and in the SEC Championship game. You do not put a guy in to let him throw the ball just to reward him for sticking it out after he had a bad career. You don't risk a National Championship to let a guy throw the ball just to be a nice guy. And, what more can the backup QB expect? He got beat out by Jefferson plain and simple and he should be thankful to Les for getting him any snaps at all. Especially if the rumors about his academic situation are true.

Any how many other backup players who have played off and on this year didn't get the opportunity to at least get in the game the way Lee did? Were they owed something? Did Les screw them.

In the end, I'm not a "Jefferson supporter" or a "Lee hater." I'm an LSU supporter and I think it's idiotic to constantly call for Lee when he is at best no better than Jefferson and arguably a good bit worse than Jefferson. Especially when you are 13-0 and both QBs have contributed to that record in their own way. Neither Lee nor Jefferson is a good QB and neither is probably even an average QB, but both are twenty-something year-old kids who are LSU QBs and neither deserves the crap they get from LSU fans. I mean, who calls a twenty-something year-old kid playing a game for your team without getting paid "HOTTT GARBAGE"?

[Anteros77]

I'm not entirely sure how you guys keep getting away with constantly insulting people you don't agree with on this forum. I guess the mods don't come onto the college threads as much? Forums are made for discourse. If you don't want to have a conversation in a thread, it's very easy to avoid.

Constantly calling people idiots, less desirable, etc is not the way to do things. Especially on these forums.

[MLU]

You're going to cry because someone referred to you as in an ambiguous way as "less desirable"...