Jordan Jefferson is HOTT garbage....

[ruzil]

The playing of JJ exclusively is sort of a tell for the LSU offense. Against Alabama, how successful was LSU running between the tackles. Not much, if I recall correctly. The only success came with JJ running the option.

Now if we play Alabama in the championship game, what do we do if they get that defensed? Can we really expect to bring in Lee and try to spread out the field? It could have been an option if Miles hadn't spent the last month crushing any confidence Lee may have had. The way it was played, we are stuck with JJ and that option type of offense.

Just my two cents.

[desmondskiggers]

Is no one willing to consider the fact that there is something going on behind the scenes that Coach Miles doesn't feel like sharing with you?

These are college kids, not paid professionals.

It's not about you or your hangups, it's about one of the best college teams of all time.

[Saintlady]

JJ on overcoming adversity...

LSU QB Jordan Jefferson: 'That's my coach. I play for my coach.' - Video | NOLA.com

[Crzycjunx76]

Originally Posted by jbourque

To me, it all points to something else going on. I would bet Les has a reason which we "as fans" aren't privy to.

Yeah, Les does not like to air his players dirty laundry. So Lee could have broken a team rule, skipped classes, had a run in with a coach, etc... and we would likely never know.

Originally Posted by guidomerkinsrules

like Lee's not going to classes and potentially being ineligible for the championship game?

This is a possibility and of course is the big rumor, but it really could be anything. If this is the case I really hope Lee got the message because both him and JJ are going to need their degrees in their lives after football. Neither is an NFL QB ... or even CFL really.

[cajnwillie]

I for one am certainly glad we have Jordan Jefferson on the Tigers team...there is no way we'd be undefeated right now without him.

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by Anteros77

I'm not entirely sure how you guys keep getting away with constantly insulting people you don't agree with on this forum. I guess the mods don't come onto the college threads as much? Forums are made for discourse. If you don't want to have a conversation in a thread, it's very easy to avoid.

Constantly calling people idiots, less desirable, etc is not the way to do things. Especially on these forums.

They also don't like people making personal attacks on Saints players and calling them garbage and I suspect the same rule would apply even more stringently to college kids. But, a few don't seem to have a problem doing that when it clearly violates the TOS. At any rate, I don't see anyone calling anyone an idiot. I see people calling the posts idiotic, which under the TOS is acceptable. The rule here has always been "attack the post, not the poster."

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by ruzil

The playing of JJ exclusively is sort of a tell for the LSU offense. Against Alabama, how successful was LSU running between the tackles. Not much, if I recall correctly. The only success came with JJ running the option.

Now if we play Alabama in the championship game, what do we do if they get that defensed? Can we really expect to bring in Lee and try to spread out the field? It could have been an option if Miles hadn't spent the last month crushing any confidence Lee may have had. The way it was played, we are stuck with JJ and that option type of offense.

Just my two cents.

Jefferson is just as capable of spreading the field as Lee is. There career passing stats are very similar with Lee having a 1% better completion percentage and Jefferson having fewer interceptions. Although Lee probably does have better ball placement when he is on.

However, Jefferson may be more dangerous than Lee when you spread the field because not only does he throw nearly as well as Lee, he can also take off and run and extend plays with his legs. Lee can't do that. And, if they take away the option to the outside, then you start to hit them up the middle with the power running game. That's the way the option has always worked. It's the most successful when you combine it with a power running game up the middle that does not allow the DEs and OLBs to cheat to the edges.

Then, you add in the fact that it's possible that Lee may be ineligible for the BCS game and you might start to see why Les though it was important to get Jefferson some more snaps in the passing game against Arkansas and Georgia.

[TXSAINTFAN]

Originally Posted by Anteros77

I'm not entirely sure how you guys keep getting away with constantly insulting people you don't agree with on this forum. I guess the mods don't come onto the college threads as much? Forums are made for discourse. If you don't want to have a conversation in a thread, it's very easy to avoid.

Constantly calling people idiots, less desirable, etc is not the way to do things. Especially on these forums.

Ahhhh trust me on this. I have an infraction until March for insulting another member. I should have addressed the post rather than the poster and calling someone an ignorant b****** was probably not my best response.

And I'm usually such a nice and agreeable guy.

[BreesusSaves]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

Jefferson is just as capable of spreading the field as Lee is. There career passing stats are very similar with Lee having a 1% better completion percentage and Jefferson having fewer interceptions. Although Lee probably does have better ball placement when he is on.

However, Jefferson may be more dangerous than Lee when you spread the field because not only does he throw nearly as well as Lee, he can also take off and run and extend plays with his legs. Lee can't do that. And, if they take away the option to the outside, then you start to hit them up the middle with the power running game. That's the way the option has always worked. It's the most successful when you combine it with a power running game up the middle that does not allow the DEs and OLBs to cheat to the edges.

Then, you add in the fact that it's possible that Lee may be ineligible for the BCS game and you might start to see why Les though it was important to get Jefferson some more snaps in the passing game against Arkansas and Georgia.

What Jefferson added against Alabama is mobility. Lee is a pocket passer, if he can't consistently get a clean pocket, he collapses. With Jefferson, if it hits the fan you have the chance he can make something from nothing with his legs. Jefferson also added the option game and the ability to spread Alabama's defense sideline to sideline.

[MLU]

Originally Posted by TXSAINTFAN

Ahhhh trust me on this. I have an infraction until March for insulting another member. I should have addressed the post rather than the poster and calling someone an ignorant b****** was probably not my best response.

And I'm usually such a nice and agreeable guy.

Were you being less than desirable?

[bywater]

The thing Jefferson gives the LSU Offense is a BIG guy back in the pocket. His throws and decisions aren't the best, but it certainly takes a lot to bring him down.

Ease up on him, though, guys......he just needs another season to develop
/intense sarcasm

[VVextreme]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

And, if it weren't for Jefferson they wouldn't be 13-0 either. Both QBs were required this year, but at this point Les is clearly more comfortable with Jefferson no matter how bad he is playing. I mean, it's pretty telling that Jefferson played that bad in the first half and Les still did not put Lee in the game.

And, considering his record at LSU, especially this year, it's hard to argue with him. And, from my point of view, looking at Lee on the side line, he does not look ready to play. He appears to be moping around for the entire game. He does not seem happy to be out there and that's not the kind of attitude that you want your QB to have.

As far as "owing" Lee something, he got what you get when you are "owed" something. He got to take snaps in his last home game and in the SEC Championship game. You do not put a guy in to let him throw the ball just to reward him for sticking it out after he had a bad career. You don't risk a National Championship to let a guy throw the ball just to be a nice guy. And, what more can the backup QB expect? He got beat out by Jefferson plain and simple and he should be thankful to Les for getting him any snaps at all. Especially if the rumors about his academic situation are true.

Any how many other backup players who have played off and on this year didn't get the opportunity to at least get in the game the way Lee did? Were they owed something? Did Les screw them.

In the end, I'm not a "Jefferson supporter" or a "Lee hater." I'm an LSU supporter and I think it's idiotic to constantly call for Lee when he is at best no better than Jefferson and arguably a good bit worse than Jefferson. Especially when you are 13-0 and both QBs have contributed to that record in their own way. Neither Lee nor Jefferson is a good QB and neither is probably even an average QB, but both are twenty-something year-old kids who are LSU QBs and neither deserves the crap they get from LSU fans. I mean, who calls a twenty-something year-old kid playing a game for your team without getting paid "HOTTT GARBAGE"?

Agreed. I've already stated repeatedly for months on this board that we would have not won the Alabama game without JJ. I whole-heartedly believe that. I also very strongly support Miles decision to prepare him to face Bama again as we are clearly going to have to run the option to win (ironically given all of our fans griping about it. haha)

I also agree that Miles is more comfortable with JJ. The only point I'm arguing is the reason why Miles is more comfortable with JJ. The only reason I can fathom that would make any sense... is if Lee won't be eligible for the BCSCG. Otherwise he should have rotated these guys and just ride the hot hand like he does for every other position on this team.

JJ has also moped around and looked quite bad at times this year too. That's not an argument that should eliminate Lee from playing time. Lee has played some really great football for most of this year too, yet never been suspended to date either.

And Lee was owed a shot, BECAUSE HE EARNED IT. You are acting like he's played horrible all year. Heck no, he's had some massively great plays this year. He's moved the ball a lot. I can promise you he would have at least gotten us a first down in an entire half of football against UGA. If I didn't think Lee could contribute on the field, I wouldn't be protesting. But we ride the hot hand with everyone else on the team, why not with Lee and JJ?

I'm not calling JJ "hottt garbage," so please don't include me in that rant. And I'm not aware of any other Sr on this team that contributed the way Lee has, but did not receive playing time. Even Ware (who was suspended and playing like Garbage) was allowed to make numerous meaningless carries without much to show for it against UGA.

All I'm saying is that BOTH QB's deserved to play in a meaningful way, because you ride the hot hand whoever it is that day. 0 First downs in an entire half of football and 30 Yards passing for an entire game is definitely not your hot hand.

[St. Widge]

Originally Posted by VVextreme

Agreed. I've already stated repeatedly for months on this board that we would have not won the Alabama game without JJ. I whole-heartedly believe that. I also very strongly support Miles decision to prepare him to face Bama again as we are clearly going to have to run the option to win (ironically given all of our fans griping about it. haha)

I also agree that Miles is more comfortable with JJ. The only point I'm arguing is the reason why Miles is more comfortable with JJ. The only reason I can fathom that would make any sense... is if Lee won't be eligible for the BCSCG. Otherwise he should have rotated these guys and just ride the hot hand like he does for every other position on this team.

JJ has also moped around and looked quite bad at times this year too. That's not an argument that should eliminate Lee from playing time. Lee has played some really great football for most of this year too, yet never been suspended to date either.

And Lee was owed a shot, BECAUSE HE EARNED IT. You are acting like he's played horrible all year. Heck no, he's had some massively great plays this year. He's moved the ball a lot. I can promise you he would have at least gotten us a first down in an entire half of football against UGA. If I didn't think Lee could contribute on the field, I wouldn't be protesting. But we ride the hot hand with everyone else on the team, why not with Lee and JJ?

I'm not calling JJ "hottt garbage," so please don't include me in that rant. And I'm not aware of any other Sr on this team that contributed the way Lee has, but did not receive playing time. Even Ware (who was suspended and playing like Garbage) was allowed to make numerous meaningless carries without much to show for it against UGA.

All I'm saying is that BOTH QB's deserved to play in a meaningful way, because you ride the hot hand whoever it is that day. 0 First downs in an entire half of football and 30 Yards passing for an entire game is definitely not your hot hand.

Honestly, Lee got lucky all year up until the Bama game. He threw nearly every pass off of his back foot prior to that game and you just can't get away with that against a good defense. And, make no mistake, Georgia has a good defense. Les went with Jefferson because he was not going to throw the game away where as there is always the chance that Lee is going to do that.

Lee was exposed in the Bama game and I think it really hurt his confidence and you can not play big time college football without it. He showed that he could not handle any pressure and threw even more off of his back foot than he had before. So, even if it is not true that he will be ineligible for the BCS game, it's clear that Les knows that Lee's confidence is shot an no matter how bad Jefferson is playing, he gives LSU the best chance to win.

The simple truth is that Jefferson beat out Lee years ago and he did it again before this season. Lee would not have even seen the field if it were not for the incident at Bogie's so I'm not surprised at all that he did not get meaningful snaps when the game was on the line. He's the second string QB. You play your starting QB unless he gets hurt.

[TXSAINTFAN]

Originally Posted by MLU

Were you being less than desirable?

Apparently.

[DaveXA]

Originally Posted by cajnwillie

I for one am certainly glad we have Jordan Jefferson on the Tigers team...there is no way we'd be undefeated right now without him.

No, if LSU had a better QB than both Lee and Jefferson, they'd still be undefeated.