Paterno's Statue removed, plus NCAA sanctions...

[Broknbusted]

Originally Posted by billinms

I wouldn't let them compete until every member of the current administration has been dismissed and all known victims are compensated for counseling or any other assistance they may need.

I agree that the entire board of trustees and those still on the coaching staff that were coaching when this happened need to be replaced. Even our own Governor, Tom Corbett, needs to be held accountable due to his involvement, or rather failed involvement, when he was an investigator of some of the original allegations.

It's a shame though that those students who are just now getting into Penn States football program are going to have to pay such a heavy price for the past programs failures.

[Saints 4 life]

[Saints & Stamps]

Originally Posted by staphory

No. Really?
They have given all sorts of punishments in the past. The only thing that seems to possibly fit the word unprecedented would be the length of time any potential sanctions would cover.
Probation wouldn't be unprecedented but, now that I think about it, probation for 10 years might be. So I think they won't think outside the box. I still think that the four letter network is just trying to over play the story as much as possible.

You don't have to roll eyes. You are the one who implied it has to be worse. Such as burn the place down.

And more than the 4 letter is reporting unorthedoxed punishment.

[Broknbusted]

Originally Posted by Saints 4 life

What's missing is the plaque behind JoePa's statue that quote's : "They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."

Sadly Joe, what will be written isn't your great accomplishments or your contributions but rather how your greatest accomplishment should have been protecting the kids who needed it most, and your failure to do so.

[lurkerTim]

It hard not to think "Pedophile State"

[billinms]

Originally Posted by Broknbusted

I agree that the entire board of trustees and those still on the coaching staff that were coaching when this happened need to be replaced. Even our own Governor, Tom Corbett, needs to be held accountable due to his involvement, or rather failed involvement, when he was an investigator of some of the original allegations.

It's a shame though that those students who are just now getting into Penn States football program are going to have to pay such a heavy price for the past programs failures.

The only people I feel sorry for in all this, besides obviously the victims, are the student athletes. Hopefully they are given the opportunity to transfer with no penalties and all find a program to go to.

[Saintshizzle]

Originally Posted by Broknbusted

What's missing is the plaque behind JoePa's statue that quote's : "They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."

Sadly Joe, what will be written isn't your great accomplishments or your contributions but rather how your greatest accomplishment should have been protecting the kids who needed it most, and your failure to do so.

Thats the part that gets me the most BnB. I read your words and will temper how I truly feel, bc many people (possibly you included) still have great affection for him. BUT, huge but, he was heralded for what he did to help kids. Everything I ever read is about JoePa and his mentorship, protective and disciplinarian nature (when necessary) to help kids be the best they can be.

Here, he had the opportunity to help some of the most helpless kids in our society, age-wise, and he covers it up to keep his reputation for helping kids remain untarnished.

Sandusky must have something on JoePa that is even more damning than this. What else would be the reason to not call the police right then? But, maybe he had gotten too full of himself, and began wiping away anything that seemed like a blemish on his legacy. You could tell it was all about football, because in the emails, when discussing one of Sandusky's rapes, Joe said, "I don't wan't to destroy (mess up, or something like that) these people weekend.

Seriously? Your weekend of Penn State football meant that much?

[clockworkoranges]

Per ESPN:

NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

Penn State Nittany Lions not facing 'death penalty' Monday by NCAA, source says - ESPN

I guess this means it will have a crippling effect on the football program (who can they recruit without scholarships?) that is essentially a death penalty.

As someone who just left PSU last month (was there for grad school), all I can say is that this will have crippling effects on every aspect of the university. It will lower undergraduate enrollment (trust me, a HUGE portion of PSU students enroll there primarily because of football culture), which will make every department suffer huge budget cuts.

[BobE]

Thee sanctions were not self-imposed or negotiated. This is Emmert taking a stand he felt he had to due to horrors in Freeh Report.

Penn State sanctions expected to be extremely harsh and could even be perceived as more damaging long-term than "death penalty"

Penn State facing loss of bowl/s and scholarships, but not so-called death penalty

Mark Emmert was granted authority to punish PSU in unprecedented manner by NCAA Board and Committee

all tweets from Joe Schad LINK

[neworleanshoo]

Originally Posted by Ti Rider

Penn St.'s football program is already dead. How many top recruits are going to commit to a school with that legacy? It will be at least a decade before the program can compete. There is little the NCAA can do to punish Penn St worse than what they have coming.

disagree strongly. the program will recover with ease. they already have one of the #1 QBs in the nation committed for next year (Hackenberg) who has said he's sticking with it. they have a rabid fan base that will only be more rabid in the coming years as a result of what they (wrong) feel is an injustice. they have serious money, serious facilities, serious history, and they play in a big-boy league. they'll be fine, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

i'm not a PSU fan either.

[billinms]

As a final, and probably most crippling blow, I'd insist that all public statements on behalf of Penn St. be written and made by Roddy White.

@roddywhiteTV A lot of stuff get swept under the rug at university's don't understand why penn state had to tell the media we got a coach rapping kids

@roddywhiteTV I would send my kid there if he wanted to go he wasn't rappin football players that's a great program that joe pa ran

[jessy]

I think they should get the death penalty. No football for 15 years but allow all current players to transfer immediately and be eligible.

[clockworkoranges]

Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

disagree strongly. the program will recover with ease. they already have one of the #1 QBs in the nation committed for next year (Hackenberg) who has said he's sticking with it. they have a rabid fan base that will only be more rabid in the coming years as a result of what they (wrong) feel is an injustice. they have serious money, serious facilities, serious history, and they play in a big-boy league. they'll be fine, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

i'm not a PSU fan either.

I suppose only time will tell, but speaking as someone who literally just moved away from Happy Valley a few weeks ago, I have to disagree. You have to think long-term here. The current fan base on campus might be "rabid", but think about how hard it will be to recruit FUTURE undergraduates to attend the university? Parents are now concerned about sending their children there for college. I now live in a different part of PA, and the perception of PSU is very, very negative.

Even forgetting that PSU as a whole has a negative reputation, it can't be overstated how much football culture attracts undergraduates. If PSU becomes the laughing stock of the Big Ten, it will lose it's ability to attract new undergrads - both players and general student body.

[Saintshizzle]

Originally Posted by jessy

I think they should get the death penalty. No football for 15 years but allow all current players to transfer immediately and be eligible.

They are speculating that it will be something, possibly, worse than the death penalty now. Look at BobE's post, its pretty close to what the talking heads are saying:

-Multiple, maybe more than 3 years, of Bowl loses. Don't think any school ever loss more than 2 years.

-Loss of scholarships (which will actually hurt more than anything, bc it hits recruiting)

-Possibly still the one year suspension, that would have been the death penalty by itself

-NCAA President, has been given the lattitude to punish outside the originally developed guidelines, and unilaterally, which is also unprecedented.

-Some, mainly some of us, and a couple more football sites, believe that they are going to wash the stadium clean of Paterno

[neworleanshoo]

Originally Posted by clockworkoranges

I suppose only time will tell, but speaking as someone who literally just moved away from Happy Valley a few weeks ago, I have to disagree. You have to think long-term here. The current fan base on campus might be "rabid", but think about how hard it will be to recruit FUTURE undergraduates to attend the university? Parents are now concerned about sending their children there for college. I now live in a different part of PA, and the perception of PSU is very, very negative.

Even forgetting that PSU as a whole has a negative reputation, it can't be overstated how much football culture attracts undergraduates. If PSU becomes the laughing stock of the Big Ten, it will lose it's ability to attract new undergrads - both players and general student body.

the people that were responsible for this will all have been purged from the university and they will undergo a SERIOUS "re-branding" of both the program and the university. there a lot of very proud, very hurt, but very motivated alumni of PSU. you'll be fine.