2nd to Tavon Austin who ran a 4.25 and Goodwin also ran a 4.25.
yea austin was the first WR of the day to run it
mayock has been gobblin tavon austin up this morning. its crazy to watch the transition in the NFL from big 6'4" WRs to little 5'9" guys that can run fast
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mayock has been gobblin tavon austin up this morning. its crazy to watch the transition in the NFL from big 6'4" WRs to little 5'9" guys that can run fast
Don't know that was 2 years ago, wasn't paying attention to him. How come he couldn't do that since? I've seen more people talking about him being a strongside end than I ever have 3-4 OLB. NFP has an article how he's overrated, walterfootball thinks he might be asked to pack on more weight to be a 3-4 DE. I know you got your guys but other than maybe a run down only 3-4 OLB I'm just not seeing it with Taylor.
What you mean you can't see how Jordan can't be in consideration for a 3-4 team? 6'6'' 250 is pretty prototypical for a 3-4 OLB. He's an every down player with great potential. He's explosive to rush the passer, he has the height and athleticism to match up against the top TE's, and he's added weight to be more effective in run defense. When you're changing your defensive front he's exactly the kind of player you look for.
How come you don't care that Jordan who is considered a first rounder production is not better than Taylor who can likely be had for a 3rd?
Jordan's lack of production doesn't seem to bother you in the least. If you want a 6'6 250 coverage linebacker like Manny Lawson, why not just sign Manny Lawson and be done with it?
And just like with Martez Wilson, size and measurables aren't the be all, end all of evaluation. Just because a prospect has size doesn't mean that he's necessarily physical or uses it well.
Im not the only person to notice that he doesn't excel against the run.
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Jordan lacks strength and can be blocked one on one at the line of scrimmage with stronger tight ends. In reviewing footage from 2011, this occurred much too often. In fact, he’s even been blocked by some of the slot receivers he’s lined up against. While he gives good effort trailing plays, he’s not much of a factor versus the run. At times, Jordan will line up wide of the tackle, looking to gain an edge with his speed. In these instances, an opponent can take advantage of the alignment by motioning or lining up a tight end to Jordan’s side, and running right at him. Washington had some success with this strategy in a 2011 matchup.
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Game Notes: Vs. Arizona State (’12)
Lines up on the slot WR but also gets blocked by that WR on the run play.
Lines up as a standup OLB and beats the LT with speed around the bend for a sack.
Lines up at OLB and beats the RT with speed but doesn’t wrap up and misses the sack.
Dips under the RT’s reach and gets a sack
Vs. Fresno State (’12)
Unblocked, they run away from him and he pursues down the line to make a tackle near the line of scrimmage (LOS).
Gets cut blocked twice on a pass rush – is this an effective way to neutralize him due to his height?
He is assigned to cover frequently but not sure he is that effective in coverage.
Playing with his hand on the ground more in this game.
He is able to fight off a couple of blocks for run stops near the LOS.
Stays with a play to get a coverage sack.
Effort doesn’t appear to be an issue.
Later he covers the slot man and gets a bump on him and stays with him in coverage.
Recognizes a cut block late and side steps it before putting heat on the QB.
Pursuit down the line to stop a run at the LOS.
Shows an inside spin move to get pressure
Vs. Washington State (’12)
Covering on a kickoff and gets in on the stop.
Gets off the snap quickly so WSU has to counter with quick passing before he gets into the backfield.
Effort is not lacking – he continues to work until the play is over.
Does a pretty good job using his arm length to keep blockers from getting into his chest.
Stutter-steps, uses his long arms to discard a blocker and gets to the QB.
Uses a swim move to get to the QB and force him up in the pocket.
Effective on a delay blitz
Vs. Washington (’11)
Notice that he lines up as a wide 9 DE often and that leaves him vulnerable to run at and block with a TE on run downs
Vs. Arizona (’11)
Used almost exclusively as a pass rusher in the 1st half – got to the QB a couple of times
Arizona’s O line was horrible
Jordan needs work on his run D reads though he was better in this game
Vs. Washington State (’11)
Covers the slot extensively here
Used as a punt rusher
Uses a spin move to get pressure and later on a sack
Blocked by the TE on the run again – this happens a little too often
Moved all over the defensive front in an effort to get pressure
Gets a coverage sack late – good pursuit
Vs. Oregon State (’11)
Long, thin athlete
Excellent closing speed
Speed rusher but can use a variety of moves
Can line up in coverage in the slot
Gets blocked by the TE, not a huge factor vs. the run
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How come you don't care that Jordan who is considered a first rounder production is not better than Taylor who can likely be had for a 3rd?
Jordan's lack of production doesn't seem to bother you in the least. If you want a 6'6 250 coverage linebacker like Manny Lawson, why not just sign Manny Lawson and be done with it?
And just like with Martez Wilson, size and measurables aren't the be all, end all of evaluation. Just because a prospect has size doesn't mean that he's necessarily physical or uses it well.
Im not the only person to notice that he doesn't excel against the run.
He's on a different planet than Jordan when it comes to power and establishing an edge. And Im not the one making the argument that college production = NFL success, Jack is .
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He's on a different planet than Jordan when it comes to power and establishing an edge. And Im not the one making the argument that college production = NFL success, Jack is .
Precisely. You like Ansah, but you do not like Jordan. Your critique of Jordan constantly is informed by his so-called lack of production at the college level. But Ansah produced even less. Stats, as I think you know,
tell one side of the story. It is hardly the entire story.
Precisely. You like Ansah, but you do not like Jordan. Your critique of Jordan constantly is informed by his so-called lack of production at the college level. But Ansah produced even less. Stats, as I think you know,
tell one side of the story. It is hardly the entire story.
Wrong, and a very weak attempt a "gotcha".
Did you even read what I typed? My use of stats above is merely to illustrate a rhetorical point that Jordan's production was not better than Taylor's since that was Jack's criticism.
I always point out that projection is typically more important than production with the draft like with Clay Matthews and Jason Pierre Paul who's college production was also very dismal. The problem is that Jordan doesnt even project well because he struggles taking on blocks.
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and a very weak attempt a "gotcha". 
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