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I know this is probably common belief, but i just want to get some opinions on my thought process for the draft. As we sit, I don't believe one of the four freak rushers (jones, Mingo, Jordan, and ansah in no particular order) will be there. Obviously none of the top 3 tackles will be there (joeckel, fisher, Johnson), leaving us with MAYBE Vaccaro or a mid level DT. If none of the pass rushers fall, we hopefully find someone wanting to leapfrog the rams for either Vaccaro, such as the cowboys, or for chance warmack or jonathon cooper. Any deal moving down includes the 2nd rounder. (or else we pray someone signs away ivory lol)

I have seen nothing from this coaching staff that would indicate any tendency to ever trade down in round one, but I would not be surprised if it happens.

Personally I think that we should stay put and draft value or trade up.

Tavon Austin WR
Margus Hunt OLB
Datone Jones DE
Baccari Rambo FS


would still be nice options to consider if all of the aforementioned are off of the board. Hunt is more athletic than Paul Kruger but is a very similar player as a potential 3-4 OLB. PFF ranked kruger as the 6th best 3-4 olb last year.
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Kruger, who recorded a career-best 42 tackles, is rated as the sixth-best outside linebacker in the league by Pro Football Focus. Kruger, who has posted 12 quarterback hits and 33 hurries according to Pro Football Focus, said he is hopeful that this season is the start of a productive career.
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I also really like Baccari Rambo more than Vaccaro.
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Charles Johnson was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, but his workout Monday in front of NFL scouts representing 24 teams at Grand Valley State’s pro day could have the receiver vaulting up draft boards.
Johnson (6-foot-2, 215 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.38 and 4.39 seconds. He had a 4.31-second short shuttle and 6.96-second three-cone drill. He had a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot-1 broad jump. He performed 14 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press. The receivers coaches from the Arizona Cardinals and New York Jets were present in Allendale, Mich. for the workout.
Johnson’s pro-day efforts would have placed him among the top performers at the combine in the 40, vertical jump and broad jump. Before his pro day, Johnson had guaranteed that he’d run a 4.39, reports MLive.com.
Johnson does have a red flag, having bounced around between different schools. He initially went to Eastern Kentucky, where he was suspended. He then attended Antelope Valley Community College (Calif.) in 2008, took a season off in 2009, and was at Grand Valley State starting in 2010.
On the basis of his strong pro-day workout, Johnson could be selected as high as the fifth round in the 2013 NFL Draft.
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Fordham Pro Day Notes: Brendan Melanophy spoke with the Giants, Packers, Buccaneers, Saints and Seahawks at his Pro Day.
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Hunt is more athletic than Paul Kruger but is a very similar player as a potential 3-4 OLB. PFF ranked kruger as the 6th best 3-4 olb last year.

And despite spending two years on a mission and playing 4 years in the NFL, Kruger is only 1.5 years older than Hunt. Spending a first round pick on a very raw 25 yr old with minimal production over his college career who blew up the combine is questionable to me. Total gamble and if he puts it all together, he will be 30 by then and his rookie contract will be up. That screams 2nd or 3rd round. If we trade back in the first and pick up an additional second or third, then I would not mind taking Hunt with one of the added picks.

Also no one knows if Hunt can actually play 3-4 OLB. In fact most think he cannot. He's too tall and plays too high. The tallest successful OLB is maybe 6'5''-6'6''. Most have Hunt projected as a DE in a 3-4, but question his frame and technique on run plays for that position.
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And despite spending two years on a mission and playing 4 years in the NFL, Kruger is only 1.5 years older than Hunt. Spending a first round pick on a very raw 25 yr old with minimal production over his college career who blew up the combine is questionable to me. Total gamble and if he puts it all together, he will be 30 by then and his rookie contract will be up. That screams 2nd or 3rd round. If we trade back in the first and pick up an additional second or third, then I would not mind taking Hunt with one of the added picks.

Also no one knows if Hunt can actually play 3-4 OLB. In fact most think he cannot. He's too tall and plays too high. The tallest successful OLB is maybe 6'5''-6'6''. Most have Hunt projected as a DE in a 3-4, but question his frame and technique on run plays for that position.
The saints may only have a 4-5 year window for success with Drew Brees left so I fail to see the problem with drafting a player this age, which is btw only one year older than Jamaal Brown was in 2005.

Very few linebackers who play 3-4 in the pros play 3-4 in college so nearly 80-90% of such players are projections before being drafted. The entire draft is a "total gamble". If you have any sure-fire locks for the pro bowl from the 2013 draft at OLB please list them. Ted Hendricks played OLB at that height so there is precedent. He also has the requisite athletic talent to pull it off. I don't see much of a problem with his frame and technique for LB but I do for DE.
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Kruger Vs Kruger

Another potential option at OLB is Joe Kruger of Utah (brother of Paul).








Joe Kruger is almost a carbon copy of his older brother athletically:

JOE
*Joe Kruger*|*Utah,*DE*:*2013 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

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Paul Kruger*|*Utah,*DE*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile


and is only 20 years old (Unlike Margus hunt) and led Utah with 6 sacks last year.

JOE






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if this teams wastes a draft pick on a qb, we have bigger problems..

The backup qb is not a concern. We can find someone cheap or just bring back canfield.

Point is if brees is hurt, we don't care who the back up is, the season is over....

we need defense, cb, s, olb, de, ot jesus christ i will flip if they draft anotehr canfield with a precious pick
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How about a look at some of the OTs late round and UDFA. I know we are looking at some.




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I am hoping the three teams needing OT in the draft (before our 15th pick - KC, St. Louis, and Arizona - I think those are the three) sign one in FA allowing one of the top three OT's to drop to us. Sounds like a good plan to me. This will allow us to solidify that Left Tackle problem for years to come.
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The saints may only have a 4-5 year window for success with Drew Brees left so I fail to see the problem with drafting a player this age, which is btw only one year older than Jamaal Brown was in 2005.

Very few linebackers who play 3-4 in the pros play 3-4 in college so nearly 80-90% of such players are projections before being drafted. The entire draft is a "total gamble". If you have any sure-fire locks for the pro bowl from the 2013 draft at OLB please list them. Ted Hendricks played OLB at that height so there is precedent. He also has the requisite athletic talent to pull it off. I don't see much of a problem with his frame and technique for LB but I do for DE.
If the Saints have only a 4-5 year window for success with Drew Brees, then why waste a first round pick on such a raw player????

Jamaal Brown was 24 when camp opened and played highschool ball in Oklahoma and 4 years at OU (a major program) with good production. Hunt will be 26 when camp opens and played 4 years at SMU with minimal production until his last year.

Everyone notes that Hunt is extremely raw, not to mention you want to draft him for a position he has never played, so he will have to learn a new position as he is still just learning the game. It does not make sense to spend a first round pick on someone who will take 3-4 years to develop. If he finally gets it and develops, he will be almost 30 and Drew will be close to retirement. Do you sign him to a big contract at that point?

The problem is not just that he is old, but rather that he is old AND extremely raw. He also had minimal production in a weak conference, looked bad at the senior bowl and just blew up the combine as expected. I do not think that is worthy of the 15 pick.

You are also alone in thinking he is an OLB. I get that it's your thing and all. It's your projection or whatever, but no professional has suggested he could play OLB full time. All teams have been looking at him as a 4-3 or more so a 3-4 end with some scheme versatility. They had him play DE in the senior bowl. He worked out with DE's at the combine and there are no notes from interviews of teams asking him to convert to OLB. So either you are better than people who are paid to do this or you are off.

You only mention one player who was a successful OLB at 6'7'' and he played in the 1970's at 220 lbs. No modern OLB has been successful at that height and certainly not at that height at 270+ lbs. Sorry, but I do not think he will be a OLB. I also do not believe he is a good fit for the Saints first round pick at this time.
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If the Saints have only a 4-5 year window for success with Drew Brees, then why waste a first round pick on such a raw player????

Jamaal Brown was 24 when camp opened and played highschool ball in Oklahoma and 4 years at OU (a major program) with good production. Hunt will be 26 when camp opens and played 4 years at SMU with minimal production until his last year.

Everyone notes that Hunt is extremely raw, not to mention you want to draft him for a position he has never played, so he will have to learn a new position as he is still just learning the game. It does not make sense to spend a first round pick on someone who will take 3-4 years to develop. If he finally gets it and develops, he will be almost 30 and Drew will be close to retirement. Do you sign him to a big contract at that point?

The problem is not just that he is old, but rather that he is old AND extremely raw. He also had minimal production in a weak conference, looked bad at the senior bowl and just blew up the combine as expected. I do not think that is worthy of the 15 pick.

You are also alone in thinking he is an OLB. I get that it's your thing and all. It's your projection or whatever, but no professional has suggested he could play OLB full time. All teams have been looking at him as a 4-3 or more so a 3-4 end with some scheme versatility. They had him play DE in the senior bowl. He worked out with DE's at the combine and there are no notes from interviews of teams asking him to convert to OLB. So either you are better than people who are paid to do this or you are off.

You only mention one player who was a successful OLB at 6'7'' and he played in the 1970's at 220 lbs. No modern OLB has been successful at that height and certainly not at that height at 270+ lbs. Sorry, but I do not think he will be a OLB. I also do not believe he is a good fit for the Saints first round pick at this time.
Nice that you would mention professional evaluations in your response but i'll ask again, how many current projected and NFL 3-4 linebackers played that position college?


aldon smith?

Ahmad brooks?

Paul Kruger?

Who?
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