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It's been reported that Graham is looking for $12 mill/yr. You are Loomis, what would you do?
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:37 AM   #29
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The Saints better re-sign Brees. That's the only chance of the Saints having Nicks.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:50 AM   #30
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Does anyone know how "salary" is calculated for purposes of franchise tagging?

The reason I ask is, my initial thought on this piece is that there's no way the Eagles would franchise Jackson, because Larry Fitzgerald's contract so utterly skews the top-5 average that it would be insane for anyone to tag any WR. (And therefore the ESPN piece could be seen to have a complete lack of research/thought).

BUT, to confirm the numbers I looked at the Fitz deal again. Technically his "salary" is only 5 million. But he's due a 6 million roster bonus, and with all the other stuff his cap hit is 21 million.

I have to think that salary for franchise tag purposes would be based on cap hit and not the stated "salary" for a given year... but I really don't know. Anybody else?
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That's a really good question, Rads. I always assumed that they would take total contract / number of years to get the avg. per year. But now that you mention it, maybe they subtract out the guaranteed money before they average it. If anybody has a definitive answer for this, I'd love to hear it.
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The Saints better re-sign Brees. That's the only chance of the Saints having Nicks.
I really don't get why everyone is saying that.....

Nicks is going to have a much bigger cap# if he is tagged than if he is signed to a long term deal, that's pretty clear. The franchise has money so it's not like Benson can't afford both Brees and Nicks signing bonus and Nicks is young enough than there is no reason to not give him a long term deal.

Our only problem is cap space and the worst that could happen to us is if we have to play a QB, OL or WR under the franchise tag.
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Everything you hear will be BS until March 5th. (I believe that's the franchise deadline).

but, it is an obvious fact that if for some unGodly reason we don't re-sign Brees before that day, make no mistake, we will franchise him to keep negotiating towards a long term deal.
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That's a really good question, Rads. I always assumed that they would take total contract / number of years to get the avg. per year. But now that you mention it, maybe they subtract out the guaranteed money before they average it. If anybody has a definitive answer for this, I'd love to hear it.
I've searched around a bit and haven't come up with an answer... even a reference from the CBA just said "salary".

But I did learn about a change under the new CBA; perhaps this has been discussed but I haven't been on the boards much lately.

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In the past, the one-year franchise tag salary was an average of the top five salaries at a player's position. Now, that salary will be an average of the top five salaries over the past five years.
Did not know that. That will dramatically blunt the "Fitzgerald Effect" I was talking about above.
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I *think* that generally when they talk about "salary" it's the total contract minus guaranteed money. You'd have to look in the CBA for the definition of the word salary.
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I really don't get why everyone is saying that.....

Nicks is going to have a much bigger cap# if he is tagged than if he is signed to a long term deal, that's pretty clear. The franchise has money so it's not like Benson can't afford both Brees and Nicks signing bonus and Nicks is young enough than there is no reason to not give him a long term deal.

Our only problem is cap space and the worst that could happen to us is if we have to play a QB, OL or WR under the franchise tag.
I believe they're much more willing to have a larger cap number this year for Nicks than to sign a long term deal that they don't feel is in the Saints best interest.

It's not whether or not the franchise can afford Nicks and Brees. It comes down to where what kind of shape are they in to sign re-sign other veterans like Meachem and Colston, not to mention possible free agents that need to be brought in for the defense. There's a limited amount of money and signing Nicks long-term hamstrings a lot of those options available to us.

And I happen to agree with the guy you quoted. The only way we can keep Nicks is to sign Drew Brees first. Once Nicks hits the open market I believe he's a goner. Other teams will offer big bucks, more than the Saints can offer. I don't see what advantage the Saints have in slapping the tag on Drew Brees. He's a top 3 QB of the past 10 years. This organization hasn't had much experience in dealing with this kind of a star but they're on the verge of mismanaging this whole thing. They can't haggle for too much longer.

The franchise tag is a huge waste if it's used on Drew Brees. We know he's staying here, he knows he's staying here. On the other hand, I don't think they've made a decision on Nicks, so it would make much more sense to use it on him.
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If this happens, Loomis is an utter idiot for allowing Brees to play out this season. This should've been done in 2010.

We lose Nicks/and or colston if we franchise Brees and tie up 18 M on the cap..
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The Saints better re-sign Brees. That's the only chance of the Saints having Nicks.
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