Brees to get Franchise Tag According to ESPN???!!!!(Speculation) - Page 4

wizard1183 · 02-14-2012, 03:55 PM

If you think Brees won't get signed you're dreaming. It's not everyday you can find a premier QB to run a team. Especially when they're in their prime. You didnt see Manning go anywhere preinjury. Brady hasn't gone anywhere, Rodgers won't go anywhere, and look back in the past at hottest QBs and se how they stayed with the team until their age caught up with them. Not saying they weren't capable of winning another SB. But in the interest to bring younger talent in they'll trade. It's not time to look for a replacement yet. And if we lose Brees, guess what happens to the saints? You honestly think we'd be anything better than before Brees? You're sadly mistaken if you think so. We'd go back to being mediocre and Benson is making too much money to give that up right now. So chill out!

GoldRush26 · 02-14-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wizard1183

If you think Brees won't get signed you're dreaming. It's not everyday you can find a premier QB to run a team. Especially when they're in their prime. You didnt see Manning go anywhere preinjury. Brady hasn't gone anywhere, Rodgers won't go anywhere, and look back in the past at hottest QBs and se how they stayed with the team until their age caught up with them. Not saying they weren't capable of winning another SB. But in the interest to bring younger talent in they'll trade. It's not time to look for a replacement yet. And if we lose Brees, guess what happens to the saints? You honestly think we'd be anything better than before Brees? You're sadly mistaken if you think so. We'd go back to being mediocre and Benson is making too much money to give that up right now. So chill out!

There is zero concern from anyone about if Drew Brees will be signed. It's a matter of when. It needs to be done now, otherwise we waste the franchise tag on him and Nicks ends up leaving, and we get absolutely nothing in return for him.

Professor · 02-14-2012, 05:17 PM

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(And therefore the ESPN piece could be seen to have a complete lack of research/thought).

Now there's a thought. Thet's the best thing you said, and you put it in parentheses. It should be in bold, italic type.

Come on, folks. How often do we have to hear ESPN speculation that never becomes fact to know these guys are more interested in creating the news than reporting it? How often have we heard "breaking news" from Chris Mortenson that never was true? They seem to "break news" that is possible and may even be probable only so they can say they "scooped" everyone else.

"Let's come up with ten stories in sports that could happen. Then if one or two actually take place, we'll be able to say we were first to report it." That's their modus operandi. Their idea of journalism is being outrageous and seeing who will listen.

Joseph Guidry · 02-14-2012, 05:55 PM

Franchising Brees would be a good way to begin the destruction of everything positive Payton and Loomis have built. I can't believe Loomis would allow that to happen.

Buhbooh · 02-15-2012, 11:19 AM

Who is to say it's all on Loomis? Remember who is really in charge. This franchise (and Benson) have never been in a position where they have one of the elite players in the league, and have to resign them.

Remember, while there are more frugal owners in the league, this is the same owner who forced his head coach to pay out of his pocket for his defensive coordinator. So, if you are worried about Brees not getting signed, don't look in the direction of Loomis.

AppleSaint · 02-15-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Guidry

Franchising Brees would be a good way to begin the destruction of everything positive Payton and Loomis have built. I can't believe Loomis would allow that to happen.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

Even with the Franchise tag put on Brees, he would still end up here, imo.

Granted, it would hurt us not being able to thus franchise Colston or Nicks....but still...."destruction"?

Don't see that

krushing · 02-15-2012, 05:54 PM

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Who is to say it's all on Loomis? Remember who is really in charge. This franchise (and Benson) have never been in a position where they have one of the elite players in the league, and have to resign them.

Remember, while there are more frugal owners in the league, this is the same owner who forced his head coach to pay out of his pocket for his defensive coordinator. So, if you are worried about Brees not getting signed, don't look in the direction of Loomis.

The saints are going to pay out 100% of their cap space any way this plays out. How does being frugal on Drew save Mr. Benson any money?

d_jackson · 02-15-2012, 10:31 PM

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Why on earth would they franchise Desean Jackson? Let someone else overpay him and see his career flop.

Probably because he is one of the most exciting receivers in the game .Plus the dude does a lot of good things both on and off the field. He has out played his rookie deal and deserves to be paid like one of the better receivers in the game. How do people want these guys to go on the field play better then most players on the field only to watch those players playing the same position at a lesser level making more money (sometimes playing on the same team.) No one would want to do that at their job so why would people want them to do it at theirs?

d_jackson · 02-15-2012, 10:41 PM

If no deal is done and he isn't franchised he can sign with anybody and there are teams that will offer much more money then the saints will. We all think Drew will stay but when there is an extra 10-15M on the table plus more depending on the market for endorsements who to say he will. I would much rather franchise him and work out a long term deal this off season they did that with will smith a few years ago and that worked out. I want Drew back as much as the next person but I also want them to get a deal done that allows them to max the talent they can put around him. The Saints are only as good as the talent you surround Drew with.

SaintsmanJim · 02-17-2012, 01:13 AM

If they franchise Drew Brees it would be the dumbest most stupid thing they could do. If I was Brees I would not except the tag. Pay the man what he is worth then get on with signing the rest . Good grief how friggin hard is this to understand

Le_Moyne · 02-17-2012, 01:57 AM

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If they franchise Drew Brees it would be the dumbest most stupid thing they could do. If I was Brees I would not except the tag. Pay the man what he is worth then get on with signing the rest . Good grief how friggin hard is this to understand

Because you honestly think that Condon, at this point of the off season (still very early from his point of view), is just trying to get Brees a "fair deal"?

If you agree to Condon right now, you can bet he would ask for more than 20M/season. You guys need to realize that negocitions for big time QBs are always very long. If Manning can get tag, so can Brees.

GoldRush26 · 02-17-2012, 02:54 PM

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Because you honestly think that Condon, at this point of the off season (still very early from his point of view), is just trying to get Brees a "fair deal"?

If you agree to Condon right now, you can bet he would ask for more than 20M/season. You guys need to realize that negocitions for big time QBs are always very long. If Manning can get tag, so can Brees.

I very much doubt that they're squabbling over total salary right now. What almost always holds up these deals is the guaranteed money and number of years. We already know the cap hit is going to be around $16-$18 million. How much of that is going to be guaranteed and for how many years is what they're stuck on.

SuperRemo · 02-17-2012, 06:35 PM

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I very much doubt that they're squabbling over total salary right now. What almost always holds up these deals is the guaranteed money and number of years. We already know the cap hit is going to be around $16-$18 million. How much of that is going to be guaranteed and for how many years is what they're stuck on.

No, I think its salary. Saints probably want to pay in the 18-20 range. Possibly 21. Condon wants to get him 23-25 which is what manning got.

That difference will destroy any chance this team has to win the superbowl any time soon with no money to keep our good players or get better ones on defense.

We will be the colts of old without Freeney and Mathis.

doctorj · 02-17-2012, 06:54 PM

Either way, they need to pay Drew what he is worth to this team.

GoldRush26 · 02-17-2012, 07:05 PM

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No, I think its salary. Saints probably want to pay in the 18-20 range. Possibly 21. Condon wants to get him 23-25 which is what manning got.

That difference will destroy any chance this team has to win the superbowl any time soon with no money to keep our good players or get better ones on defense.

We will be the colts of old without Freeney and Mathis.

The bottom line is that the team is going to have to pay Brees the money that he's worth. It's all about when. You're either going to have a big cap number at the beginning of it, in the middle or at the end of it. All teams want to backload contracts because they know they can offload the players with impending huge cap numbers if they're underperforming. To protect themselves, that's why athletes' agents push so hard for the guarateed money.

If Manning hadn't hurt his neck they would be paying that $28 million. In all likelyhood the Saints are going to be in the same position and have to pay Brees a similar amount. That's what happens when you backload a contract and the player still is playing at a high level towards the end.

The total money is not the issue. It's been established what kind of money Drew Brees is due. The Saints have no case when it comes to total money that's due Drew Brees. Just look at what Manning, Brady and Rodgers make, and adjust for inflation. It's all about when he's going to get it and how much of it is guaranteed. Making it to where he has a small cap number this year only handicaps the team that much more in a couple of years. Cap hits change every year. He makes $16 million one year, the next his hit is $19.5, the next it's $23.1. It's going to catch up with the team eventually if they try to beat the system.

You have to pay him though. He's going to get Peyton Manning money. As a result, we're going to lose some contributors. You draft well and sign cheaper replacements to compensate. There's no way around it. Drew Brees loves the Saints, but he's not going to take less than market value so that his teammates can get market value. I know that Drew Brees is held to some moral standard that he needs to give his money to others so that the whole team can stay together, but that's not fair to him.