Brees thinks coaches/Loomis are scared to speak up

saintsfan26 · 06-26-2012, 10:53 AM

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“I’ve been informed a lot of those coaches feel there are further sanctions being held over their head if they don’t cooperate with the investigation,” Brees said on the Dan Patrick Show. “If they were to speak out on behalf of the players, maybe that’s the fear they have.”

If that’s true, it’s a black mark against the NFL’s investigation: The Saints’ coaches should be encouraged to speak truthfully about what, exactly, happened during the three season when Williams was the defensive coordinator, and that should include truthful statements that contradict the NFL’s conclusions. They shouldn’t fear that they’ll be punished further for speaking up.

5thDeadlyVenom · 06-26-2012, 10:59 AM

This needs to be the next point that Florio continues to hammer home. Way too often you see the mouth-breathers use the argument of " But the coaches admitted it/aren't fighting it!". It needs to be common knowledge that Goodell is basically strong-arming them by holding their reinstatement over their heads and they've got no union or association worth a damn to fight for them.

ThePraff · 06-26-2012, 11:08 AM

So it seems that Goodell is playing the role of cop, prosecutor, judge, warden, and commissioner all at the same time.

That doesn't make too much sense to me.

Swampy Saint · 06-26-2012, 11:08 AM

Especially since it's been reported that there is no love loss between Payton and Goodell.

What an incredibly bad way to grind an axe, Roger. Did you think it would just go away?

Didn't you know the players would fight back and don't care what you think about them?

Roger, you deserve everything that comes back to you on this one.

Sean has got to be eating this up right about now.

saintmike23 · 06-26-2012, 11:08 AM

We all know at this point that the "investigation" and punishment were an attempt to prove the NFL is active on player safety. What Goodell failed to predict is the very likelihood that the opposing attorney would be able to prove that the investigation was a falsified PR strategy. The attorney can ask for evidence, call witnesses from the Saints, NFL and its lawyers like Mary Jo White.

If they show that the NFL is a corrupt organization, which it has become thanks to Goodell and the owners, then they can easily make the connection that the NFL turned q blind eye or purposely concealed information regarding concussions.

Goodell is actually not very smart. He thought he had to "get down and dirty" to protect the future of the league but it actually made things worse.

We need a whistle blower inside of the NFL to come forward. I bet one will come forward but I just hope it's before the season starts.

26ISTHEMAN · 06-26-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by saintmike23

We need a whistle blower inside of the NFL to come forward. I bet one will come forward but I just hope it's before the season starts.

Hummel? Wouldn't that be fun if he blew the lid on this fiasco?

2009ring · 06-26-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by saintmike23

We all know at this point that the "investigation" and punishment were an attempt to prove the NFL is active on player safety. What Goodell failed to predict is the very likelihood that the opposing attorney would be able to prove that the investigation was a falsified PR strategy. The attorney can ask for evidence, call witnesses from the Saints, NFL and its lawyers like Mary Jo White.

If they show that the NFL is a corrupt organization, which it has become thanks to Goodell and the owners, then they can easily make the connection that the NFL turned q blind eye or purposely concealed information regarding concussions.

Goodell is actually not very smart. He thought he had to "get down and dirty" to protect the future of the league but it actually made things worse.

We need a whistle blower inside of the NFL to come forward. I bet one will come forward but I just hope it's before the season starts.

If it can be shown that the NFL not only purposefully concealed information about concussions, but purposefully mis-characterized the "bounty" investigation as front to show concern for player safety, there will be a house-cleaning like none other up on Park Ave....

Joseph Guidry · 06-26-2012, 11:46 AM

Brees is only stating the obvious. Otherwise, we'd have heard a lot more from the coaches on what really happened.

kevinh · 06-26-2012, 11:48 AM

Even if you weren't into football, you'd have to be disturbed by a corporation blackmailing its high-profile employees into silence, then using their virtual partners in the media to beat up on them publicly for FOUR MONTHS while they go through a shoddy appeals process.

Swimmer · 06-26-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePraff

So it seems that Goodell is playing the role of cop, prosecutor, judge, warden, and commissioner all at the same time.

That doesn't make too much sense to me.

Praff - even moreso, he is playing the roll of CEO/Chairman of a huge private company with ant-trust rights. As long as these companies don't break the law themselves are almost completely free to fire, punish, demote any of their employees "for no real reason at all" as long as they don't selectively do this against a minority group. And they don't have to explain their reasons. There needs to be no reason.

CHEF · 06-26-2012, 12:03 PM

Its been asked why the saints haven't said anything to support the players or defend the coaches and organization. I submit that the team and the coaches have been issued a gag order by goodell lest they lose their pick next year and risk the possibility of longer suspensions for loomis and payton. I believe the nfl promised to return the second round pick in 2013 were met. I also believe that part of that possible reinstatement had something to do with the return of parcells in place of payton lest goodel and the nfl look foolish. JMO

Sarcastic · 06-26-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brees

Sean tells me he feels there are further sanctions being held over their head if they don’t cooperate with the investigation, but I'm not allowed to say that. If they were to speak out on behalf of the players, that's what Sean told me was the fear he had, before my disposable phone ran out of minutes

Fixt

i WhoDat i · 06-26-2012, 12:07 PM

Well hell yeah they're scared... Goodell holds their careers in the palm of his hand.

BUT, with everything coming out about Goodell being unfair, it would now be really hard for Goodell to pull any kind of BS with further, unfair punishments to the coaches and Loomis if they fulfill their punishments and pursue their new obligation to player safety.

With that, the coaches need to stop being scared and speak up if there's anything that needs to be said. They will be OK. There is absolutely no way that Goodell could get away with being completely unjust and unfair again (unless he has absolute power... wait...).

!WhoDat!

SAINTSFAN · 06-26-2012, 12:12 PM

Wasn't it already reported that the coached and Loomis would be "reevaluated" at the end of their suspensions to see if they should be reinstated? That evaluation was to be based on how they cooperated and assisted the NFL in player safety enhancements, etc. Of course Goodell has his thumb on them.

jayd265 · 06-26-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SAINTSFAN

Wasn't it already reported that the coached and Loomis would be "reevaluated" at the end of their suspensions to see if they should be reinstated? That evaluation was to be based on how they cooperated and assisted the NFL in player safety enhancements, etc. Of course Goodell has his thumb on them.

yes. thats why i dont get why this is a shock. there was an article that i believe interviewed jenkins and he said it...