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Old 03-16-2012, 10:13 AM   #1
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Derek Wolfe

The Saints will have to upgrade the DT position, and I think Derek Wolfe would be a good fit for what Spags likes to do. When Spags was with the Giants, he tended to go after tall, rangy DTs who could rush the passer (i.e. Barry Coefield). Wolfe is a guy who has flown under-the-radar despite his impressive play inside, particularly against the pass. Last season, he had 9.5 sacks. The good thing is, Wolfe is no one-trick pony. He plays the run very well and does a solid job of using leverage. Overall, he is guy who plays with a mean streak and a non-stop motor, and is relentless in pursuit. The good thing is, he's projected as a third rounder, though some have him listed as a late second. I think he's a guy we should definitely consider targeting in the draft and believe that he could contribute immediately to our defense even if as a backup.


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My biggest concern right now is the nose tackle. It is an urban legend around here that Spags don't use big tacles. Not true.

I am hoping that sooner then later we will have money to re-sign Rogers and/or Franklin.

I am very curious also about Sedrick Ellis. I was expecting more of him last season, specially since he was playing next to capable nose tackles. Forget about being a star, I am starting to doubt his qualifications as a starter, specially with the salary he is commanding.
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My biggest concern right now is the nose tackle. It is an urban legend around here that Spags don't use big tacles. Not true.

I am hoping that sooner then later we will have money to re-sign Rogers and/or Franklin.

I am very curious also about Sedrick Ellis. I was expecting more of him last season, specially since he was playing next to capable nose tackles. Forget about being a star, I am starting to doubt his qualifications as a starter, specially with the salary he is commanding.
A couple points:

1. I will agree on the urban legend to a degree. I do not think Spags scheme is opposed to big tackles. But if you look at the players brought in under his watch (i.e. Coefield, Canty), then they tended to be big and rangy. By no means are either of them small. I do not think Spags would be against Rogers, and I fully expect him to be back in the fold. Rocky Bernard was short and squatty; but he was already there when Spags arrived. Linval Joseph, a bigger NT, came after Spags was gone. I think Spags does not mind having a big NT, but I think he wants the player to have some length to him.

2. I still have faith in Sedrick Ellis. While I do not ever think he'll become an elite defender, I do think he can be very good. I actually would like to see Ellis play more NT. When he has played there, he has played well. I think part of his struggles has been the constant change in scheme and coaches. He's had three D-line coaches in his brief tenure though Bill Johnson is very good and should help him continue to develop. Gregg Williams seem to ask his defensive linemen to do different things at different times and was more interested, it seemed, in his front four opening up opportunities for his linebackers, corners, and safeties to blitz. I am interested in the way Spags will use him. Ellis is powerfully built and a guy who should be making a difference up front.

You know, it's funny. What a difference a few years makes. When we drafted Ellis, he and Dorsey were considered to be arguably the best prospects in the draft and certainly at the tackle position. Then you get Suh and McCoy. While I am not much of a fan of McCoy, Suh is legit despite his anger managament issues. I say this to say that it would have been wonderful if the year we added a DT, it would have been Suh. Wrong year. Still, Ellis should be productive and it will be up to Spags to get him to play to his potential.
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A couple points:

1. I will agree on the urban legend to a degree. I do not think Spags scheme is opposed to big tackles. But if you look at the players brought in under his watch (i.e. Coefield, Canty), then they tended to be big and rangy. By no means are either of them small. I do not think Spags would be against Rodgers, and I fully expect him to be back in the fold. Rocky Bernard was short and squatty; but he was already there when Spags arrived. Linval Joseph, a bigger NT, came after Spags was gone. I think Spags does not mind having a big NT, but I think he wants the player to have some length to him.

2. I still have faith in Sedrick Ellis. While I do not ever think he'll become an elite defender, I do think he can be very good. I actually would like to see Ellis play more NT. When he has played there, he has played well. I think part of his struggles has been the constant change in scheme and coaches. He's had three D-line coaches in his brief tenure though Bill Johnson is very good and should help him continue to develop. Gregg Williams seem to ask his defensive linemen to do different things at different times and was more interested, it seemed, in his front four opening up opportunities for his linebackers, corners, and safeties to blitz. I am interested in the way Spags will use him. Ellis is powerfully built and a guy who should be making a difference up front.

You know, it's funny. What a difference a few years makes. When we drafted Ellis, he and Dorsey were considered to be arguably the best prospects in the draft and certainly at the tackle position. Then you get Suh and McCoy. While I am not much of a fan of McCoy, Suh is legit despite his anger managament issues. I say this to say that it would have been wonderful if the year we added a DT, it would have been Suh. Wrong year. Still, Ellis should be productive and it will be up to Spags to get him to play to his potential.

Sedrick Ellis is not a pass rushing DT, he is a hustle player who is strong and stout. In 2010 he had 60+ tackles and 6 sacks (people seem to forget this) but people seem (as well they should) to only remember how this year went...I think putting him at NT and drafting a player (which I think the plan is) who is known as a disrupter, a guy who plays the run on the way to the quarterback will be in the plans for the Saints, they will target these kind of players to put on the dline.
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Ellis seems to have took a step back. We need to get younger, quicker, and stronger at the DT position.

Cut Ellis...Rogers(lazy)...sign Franklin fr one more year. I like Swanson Miller and Tom Johnson in the middle to replace Ellis and Rogers...
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Ellis seems to have took a step back. We need to get younger, quicker, and stronger at the DT position.

Cut Ellis...Rogers(lazy)...sign Franklin fr one more year. I like Swanson Miller and Tom Johnson in the middle to replace Ellis and Rogers...
I think cutting Ellis would be a mistake and a rash decision. While he has not lived up to expectations, he has played well for the most part except for last season. And given that we do not know what the scheme called for him to do, it is difficult to judge his play. The one thing I can say is that we did play the run well in the middle of the defense. Again, I think he can be effective and he might better be served moving to NT. I think we need a quicker, gap-shooting 3-tech.

I liked Ellis coming out of USC a lot. But one of the things that concerned me in terms of his playing the 3-tech--same true of Dorsey--is both lacked the sort of speed we saw with Warren Sapp. Ellis is quick, but does not have the elite quickness inside. At NT, his quickness becomes an asset. At the 3-tech, he is average to slightly above average. But when you have a guys like Dontarrio Poe and Derek Wolfe running similar times at Ellis--albeit at a bigger size--that has to concern you in terms of how much of a quick, penetrating tackle he can be from the 3 position.

I do like Swansom Miller and Tom Johnson a lot. I like what I saw out of Miller last year, and think both deserve opportunities. I think bringing Rogers back makes sense as you want to have a veteran guy in there. But I would like to see Miller and Johnson raise their profile. Still, we will have to add a player or two in the draft.
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I would keep Rogers over Franklin.

Franklin was a free agent bust, based on what we were hearing about him before he arrived.
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Um, cut Ellis. He isn't good at anything, playing the run or the pass. His only chance to get pressure is to get under the pads of lineman because he's shorter, and he can't seem to do that. Once a defender gets their hands on him, it's over. And that seems to be easy because he has to have some of the shortest hands in the NFL. It just makes shedding blocks too hard for him.

He's mostly been 3-tech and besides his rookie year, he hasn't excelled there (yes, even last year). After this long, if a player isn't good yet, he probably won't be good. Moving him to NT isn't the answer either. Why not bring back Franklin who is a better NT and will be cheaper?

Let's all just admit it, we missed out on him when we traded up and drafted him. Cut your losses and move on.
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I like Wolfe, but I think the way things are looking at this point, he doesn't fit what we'll need in the 2nd/3rd round of the draft... Depnding on which picks we have... if either.

If we retain our 2nd rounder and lose our 3rd rounder this year to the bounty scandal (which I suspect will happen) then I'd prefer to grab either Brandon Thompson out of Clemson or Jerel Worthy out of MSU with our 2nd rounder. I think we need a younger guy weighing over 300lbs with some real strength on our DL.

IMO, Wolfe is very similar to a player we already have our roster... Tom Johnson.

My pick for "break out defensive player" next season... Tom Johnson.
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Then they cut him from their PS, and we brought him back.

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Um, cut Ellis. He isn't good at anything, playing the run or the pass. His only chance to get pressure is to get under the pads of lineman because he's shorter, and he can't seem to do that. Once a defender gets their hands on him, it's over. And that seems to be easy because he has to have some of the shortest hands in the NFL. It just makes shedding blocks too hard for him.

He's mostly been 3-tech and besides his rookie year, he hasn't excelled there (yes, even last year). After this long, if a player isn't good yet, he probably won't be good. Moving him to NT isn't the answer either. Why not bring back Franklin who is a better NT and will be cheaper?

Let's all just admit it, we missed out on him when we traded up and drafted him. Cut your losses and move on.

ellis has short arms.

That's what makes shedding blocks difficult for him, but i know what you mean. Akeim hicks doesn't have that problem. As for NT, looks like we might be trying to fill that void with Bunkley.
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ellis has short arms.

That's what makes shedding blocks difficult for him, but i know what you mean. Akeim hicks doesn't have that problem. As for NT, looks like we might be trying to fill that void with Bunkley.
Ya, I typed hands but I meant arms.

Regardless, he's about as good as he's gonna get.
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