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Old 09-19-2011, 03:58 PM   #1
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Drew Brees: Arm Strength

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Drew Brees? Seems like it. RT @smartfootball Have any high profile quarterbacks significantly and noticeably improved their arm strength?
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I would say both Brees and Brady @smartfootball Have any high profile quarterbacks significantly and noticeably improved their arm strength?
I thought this to be pretty interesting. Gregg Rosenthal works for ProFootballTalk and Aaron Schatz is the Editor-in-Chief for FootballOutsiders.com. Both of them mentioned that Drew has increased his arm strength. Most people tend to say that Drew has average arm strength but makes up for it with timing and pinpoint accuracy. It makes me wonder, is this actually true or is it something that has followed him from college and has just carried on?

In my opinion, Drew doesn't have elite arm strength but I've never thought it to be a weakness either. I do know I watched him throw a 55-yard (79-yards after the run) bomb to Devery yesterday that was as about a pretty pass as you'll see.

If I see any more discussion on it, I'll add it to this thread.
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He has increased his arm strength from last season because his knee is better.
But it is no stronger now then it was 2 years ago.
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Drew worked very hard over the years to increase his arm strength. But what people don't understand is that it has little to do with "arm" strength but more to do with Core body strength and lower leg power. Most of the power comes from his set position when he is ready to throw. The power generated from his back foot is transferred to his throwing arm.

If he had to stand flat footed, I doubt Brees could throw it very far, yet Cutler could probably hum that sucker 80 yards.

But who is the better QB?

Brees is a master at the art of quarterbacking, all that trivial crap like arm strength and "he can throw a ball 60 yards on his knees!" is just water cooler talk.
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As Phil Simms (not a Saint lover by any means) said during the broadcast of Superbowl XLIV: "He (Brees) doesn't have the most powerful arm...big deal. He's accurate and timely with the football."
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Brees has average arm strength just like Joe Montana had average arm strength. It's plenty good enough when you have the smarts to quickly read defenses, have great accuracy, excellent pocket presence, and a top offensive scheme.
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I don't know how significant throwing distance is in the NFL. Most deep routes only go 15-20 yards. Even on the "go route", if the ball isn't out of your hands after the receiver has gone about 30 yards its probably a little late to throw the ball anyway. And that is because of the speed of the defense and the breakdown of protection in the pocket. Very rarely can a QB have time to throw 50 yards unless there is a 3 man rush or something like that.

A QB just needs to be able to get the ball out of his hands with zip and accuracy to be efficient. Drew Brees has plenty zip and accuracy on his throws and MORE than enough arm strength.
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I think from a QB's perspective, arm strength matters more when you are talking about how quickly you can get the ball into a receivers hands from the time it leaves your hands, versus how far you can throw it.

Look at Farve for example, he relied almost solely on arm strength at times because his throws were made at such a velocity that in most cases for other QBs, it's an INT. On the flipside, arm strength, at times, can lead to over-confidence (Farve is the all time leader in INTs also). I recall Cutler having the same problem.

Regardless despite the fact that I think Drew's arm strength is just fine, he couple that with intangible things. For example, if he needs the ball the get to a target really quick, he'll shorten his throwing motion where other QBs will add velocity. Two routes to the same destination.

I always wondered that if the lack for measurables (height, arm strength, etc) are part of the reason for Drew's success. Maybe it gives him an edge. Just glad he's in black and gold.
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Brees' arm strength has improved since he was drafted. Same for Brady. Neither of them were known for having big arms, but you watch them both now and they can make every throw in the book.
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The bottom line is Drew can make all the throws NFL QBs are required to make. He doesn't have John Elway type arm strength, but, then again, neither did Joe Montana. The bottom line is there's a lot of ways to skin a cat, and Drew has found ways to get around average arm strength. He's got plenty enough zip on the ball to do what he wants to do on the field, and, as many have said, his intangibles more than make up for not having the cannon.
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How much stronger does your arm have to be when you throw perfect spirals 60 yards down the field?
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When his mechanics are right, his arm strength is more than adequate but of course he is so accurate that he doesn't need to have much more strength than what he possesses.

But you can tell how weak his arm strength is when under duress and he doesn't get to step into the throw properly. Someone like Rodgers can get off a pretty strong throw even on a backfoot or falling to the ground. But the question is how often do you actually need to do that? Luckily for the Saints, Drew has this type of throw maybe once or twice a game (some games not at all).

Not a issue whatsoever. But if Drew didn't have good protection, the weakness of his arm would certainly show up.
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My wife is a sugical tech and she is in the OR on a lot of orthopedic surgeries. After she read Drew's book, she told me most people with the same type of injury he had get one or two staples. If they are doing 3 staples, the OR usually has invited Dr's and students persent (holy crap, i gotta see this!)

Drew has SEVEN staples in his shoulder. A great white couldn't pull that arm off. The joint is stronger than it was, so building up the muscle mass could give him a stronger throw than pre-op.
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Brees is one of the best deep passers in the league and he has been for a while. The bomb he completed to Devery yesterday was one of the best passes i've ever seen him make in his career. His mechanics and his release were absolutely perfect and that resulted in a perfect ball. The placement and velocity couldn't have been better. Scary thing is that Brees usually gets better and better as the season rolls along. I look forward to watching it.
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I never understood why people questioned his arm strength!! At one of the pro bowl competitions when he was with San Diego he threw 67 yards in the deep ball competition
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