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05-30-2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nelopiceral1
Salary. Cap.
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Proration salvation
How does this happen? Signing bonuses are treated in different ways for cash and Cap: (1) for cash purposes, they are treated as fully paid, regardless of deferrals; and (2) for Cap purposes, they are prorated through the life of the contract.
As an example, Charles Johnson of the Panthers received a $30 million signing bonus on a six-year deal. It is treated as $30 million for cash purposes in 2011, yet due to Cap proration of signing bonuses, only $5 million for Cap purposes in each year between 2011 and 2016. Were Johnson to be released or traded prior to 2016, the $5 million of annual Cap charges would accelerate immediately into the then-existing Cap.
In my opinion, however, the less proration the better. I always tried to "pay as you go", preferring high salaries and roster bonuses (not prorated) to contain Cap charges in the year of negotiation rather than building up unamortized charges into the future. More and more teams are trying to get to that consistent approach to roster management.
The proration loophole shows how the NFL Cap has remained "soft" and how teams can easily spend more cash than their Cap number. Which leads to questions about the teams that may not spend their cash or Cap....
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Read the entire article here
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05-30-2012, 01:36 PM
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Hall-of-Famer
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Metairie, LA
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Everyone needs to relax, this has been playing out over the media for awhile now, don't expect anything to get done until 1-2 days before he has to decide to sign the franchise tag tender.
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05-30-2012, 01:40 PM
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Baylor Bear/Demon Deacon
Join Date: Aug 2005
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He's gone. He's a union man. He's not going to cave. Loomis won't cave, and he'll be gone too. Let the Chase Daniel era begin. I'm out.
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05-30-2012, 01:45 PM
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Location: Lafayette, LA
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Originally Posted by Pickens
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We get it, we know how it works but I don't think you do.
Getting Brees his signing bonus this year is not a problem thanks to signing bonuses (what your article talks about). The problem is how do we get Brees his garunteed money next year? All the players we got for dirt cheap this year contract's go way up next year along with many of our in house players. We lose the contracts of only Ellis and Henderson. We are facing a substantial net increase. However, the cap stays the same. So how do you get Brees all his garunteed money with no room to do so?
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05-30-2012, 02:09 PM
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Very Banned
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Terrace
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Man, public opinion is turning against Brees with a quickness
Not saying it's wrong, just making an observation. I can't help but wonder what this board would look like if Brees held out for an entire year. It would get ugly.
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05-30-2012, 02:14 PM
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What is frustrating to me, Drew, is that you have taken this public and are attempting leverage fan support. I'll tell you what, since you've decided to go public with your disappoinment, go public with your figures. Tell us all how much you are looking for, then we can decide if the Saints are being fair to you or not. Right now, you're playing with us and that is something I don't appreciate.
And let me add that I'm perfectly happy with the Saints paying him gobs and gobs of money.
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05-30-2012, 02:18 PM
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Location: West Monroe
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Originally Posted by FootballLady
What is frustrating to me, Drew, is that you have taken this public and are attempting leverage fan support. I'll tell you what, since you've decided to go public with your disappoinment, go public with your figures. Tell us all how much you are looking for, then we can decide if the Saints are being fair to you or not. Right now, you're playing with us and that is something I don't appreciate.
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Word. 
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05-30-2012, 02:19 PM
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Countdown To Kickoff
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Originally Posted by Sarcastic
Man, public opinion is turning against Brees with a quickness
Not saying it's wrong, just making an observation. I can't help but wonder what this board would look like if Brees held out for an entire year. It would get ugly.
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It doesn't seem to be taking nearly that long. 
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05-30-2012, 02:22 PM
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The Real Deal
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lafayette, LA
Age: 35
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i dont think people can say its all his agent, Brees isnt dumb. if he was against it he could say i am signing for this amount. the agent works for him, not the other way around. if the saints really did offer the highest contract and he didnt take it then its on Brees, no matter what he says
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05-30-2012, 02:23 PM
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0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
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05-30-2012, 02:31 PM
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Pro-Bowler
Join Date: Aug 2004
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How is this deal not getting done?! I would think the Saints are starting to lose money on him sitting out and who knows how much they will lose if it never gets done. I don't understand how you "frustrate" the best player to ever play for the Saints!!?
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05-30-2012, 02:41 PM
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Pro-Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2011
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I predict Brees gets signed half way thru pre season
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05-30-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cYnical
It is truly staggering how many people seem oblivious to that.
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Exactly this. People say "pay him what he wants" but don't realize that Loomis simply can't do that. That's just the reality of having a salary cap, you only have so much to spend.
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05-30-2012, 02:48 PM
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Super Forum Fanatic
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Aurora, CO
Age: 59
Posts: 8,356
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If Manning's getting 19.2 for 5 years, and if that's higher than Brady, then I'd say give him 19.7 and be done with it. Take it or leave it, you're still the highest paid.
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05-30-2012, 02:49 PM
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ALL-MADDEN TEAM
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: West Monroe
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ WhoDAT
How is this deal not getting done?! I would think the Saints are starting to lose money on him sitting out and who knows how much they will lose if it never gets done. I don't understand how you "frustrate" the best player to ever play for the Saints!!?
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You frustrate the best player ever to play for the Saints by not giving him 22-24 million dollars.
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