Drew's Contract vs Peyton's Contract...Let's Be Real!

[NOFALCONS10]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

Montana had Rice, Taylor, and Craig...the greatest wr ever, a solid #2 wr, and one of the better rbs in NFL history...when did Drew ever have that? Heck Rodgers in GB has 1 of the best wr's in the NFL today (Greg Jennings), the best up and coming wr in the NFL (Jordy Nelson), a solid #3 that would be a #1 or #2 on most teams (Driver), and a good te. Where are those guys for Drew?

colston has posted better and similar numbers to jennings his entire career.

Greg Jennings, WR for the Green Bay Packers at NFL.com

Marques Colston, WR for the New Orleans Saints at NFL.com


and meachem and henderson are two of the best long ball artists in the game who collectively contribute nearly as much as nelson.

Devery Henderson, WR for the New Orleans Saints at NFL.com
Robert Meachem, WR for the New Orleans Saints at NFL.com
Jordy Nelson, WR for the Green Bay Packers at NFL.com


we had 7 receivers with more than 400+ yards receiving yards and 5 with more than 600+. Now compare that to the pack (5) and (4) respectively.

Green Bay Packers Stats at NFL.com

New Orleans Saints Stats at NFL.com


we also had the 6th best rushing attack last season compared to the pack's 27th ranked attack.

not to mention that you've completely excluded graham and sproles which essentially invalidates your entire argument.

[El Caliente]

I am not defending our talent when making a case for Drew having less to work with. Thats your argument, mine is saying that Drew has less to work with, yet gets as much production as the other guys.

[NOFALCONS10]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

I am not defending our talent when making a case for Drew having less to work with. Thats your argument, mine is saying that Drew has less to work with, yet gets as much production as the other guys.

ha.

i think that you are completely confused here chummmm.

Im saying that Drew has WAY more to work with than any other qb. Like i said before, i'd be surprised if a qb like matt flynn or chase daniel couldn't easily put up over 4000+ yards and 25 tds year in and year out with the weapons that payton has surrounded brees with.

[strat1080]

Originally Posted by bclemms

You do realize Peyton is 36 years old, hasn't played in over a year and it is still unknown whether he will ever be able to play again right?

Rodgers is a 7 year veteran and has 4 years starting under his belt. He has passed for over 4500 yards just once in his career, something Brees has done 3 of his last four seasons. Also Brees has far better postseason numbers. Rodgers also has a head coach/offensive coordinator that led the Saints to the #1 offense in the NFL on several occasions with Aaron Brooks at QB. Rodgers also has hands down the leagues best receiving core and a phenominal TE and three damn good RBs. The Packers offensive line was not as good run blocking as the Saints but they do quite well against the pass. Rodgers also takes a lot more sacks than Brees because he does hold the ball longer.

Brady puts up huge numbers almost every week but he struggles at times and when he loses confidence the Pats lose. Brady is also terrible under pressure and is blessed by the single best pass blocking line in the league.

I'll take Brees over any QB in the league right now and maybe in history. If not for a defense that gave up 38 points per game in our last two playoff games then Brees would probably have three rings and anyone that tries to deny that needs to have a bounty put on them.

Brees postseason numbers are WAY BETTER than Rodgers? Aaron Rodgers has the highest postseason passer rating in NFL history. They are at a comparable level in the postseason but to say Brees has WAY BETTER numbers in the postseason is just flat out inaccurate.

The Saints offensive line is WAY better than the Packers unit. The Packers offensive line was really beat up last year. They only had the their original starting 5 OL for the first 3 games of the year. They were missing both starting Tackles for most of the year. Many personnel guys consider Nicks and Evans to not only be the best starting Guard tandem in the NFL but possibly the two best guards in the NFL. Not one single guy on the Packers OL is even in consideration as being a top guy at his position. Give me a break dude.

Rodgers does tend to take a few more sacks but that is because his tremendous ability to make plays outside the pocket. You have to take the good with the bad. With that said, you would be laughed at by any NFL scout or personnel guy if you believe the Saints and Packers offensive lines are even comparable. The Saints are consistently a very good running team. The year they won the Super Bowl they were a Top 5 running team. The Packers are an atrocious rush offense year after year. If you go back and remove Rodgers routine 200-300 rushing yards every year they are a bottom 5 unit in rushing yards every year. They would have been dead last in rushing in 2010 when they won the Super Bowl without Rodgers 300+ rushing yards. Since he's become the starting QB no other QB has picked up more rushing first downs than Aaron Rodgers.

You can say the same thing about Aaron Rodgers. In his two playoff losses his team gave up 51 and 37 points. Come on dude. Brees is the best in NFL history? He has never even been considered the best QB of his era. He has consistently been a Top 3 guy over the last 5 years or so but he isn't even in the conversation of being the best ever. Top 20 guy yes. I doubt he will ever be considered a Top 10 QB of all time.

[strat1080]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

Montana had Rice, Taylor, and Craig...the greatest wr ever, a solid #2 wr, and one of the better rbs in NFL history...when did Drew ever have that? Heck Rodgers in GB has 1 of the best wr's in the NFL today (Greg Jennings), the best up and coming wr in the NFL (Jordy Nelson), a solid #3 that would be a #1 or #2 on most teams (Driver), and a good te. Where are those guys for Drew?

Donald Driver might not even make the team. He's completely washed up. He's not a solid #3 and certainly wouldn't be a #2 on most teams. 5 years ago yes. The guy is 37 years old.

[strat1080]

Originally Posted by NOFALCONS10

#1st of all, when did mcarthy ever lead new orleans to the #1 offense with aaron brooks? Don't just make stuff up there fella to make your argument seem stronger. In fact, when did that feat ever once occur?

bree's aint much younger at 33.

I can't see brees putting up the same numbers (5000+ yards) in any other offense except possibly detroit with their runners at full strength. The lions are probably the only team that can nearly match us playmaker for playmaker. Rodgers has far more escapability than brees does as evidenced in the pack's superbowl year and i'm not going to sit here and seriously debate arm-strength with you. I'd like to know what other backfield had as many catches as our runners did last year and what other qb has more than one all-pro guard playing in front of him. Granted brees is a great qb but he is not far superior to any of those other guys.

Very well thought out post. Brees is certainly a Top 3 QB and is among the best but to pretend like he's flat out the best and its not even close is just silly. While you can say a guy like Rodgers has the edge at WR weapons. Graham is better than Finley and the Saints RB trio are lightyears ahead of what the Packers have at RB. Its a wash. If anything you can say the Saints can flood the field with more talent in the passing game than Green Bay. There are so many options for Brees to hit on every passing play. Sproles was one heck of a pickup.

Jennings is a stud. Nelson appears to be on the rise. Finley is good when he wants to be. Other than that where is all this tremendous talent on the Packers offense? James Jones was a free agent and didn't even get any offers from other teams. Donald Driver is 37 and a shell of what he used to be. Randall Cobb certainly looks promising but he's a very raw young guy. At the time of the draft he was the youngest player taken in the draft.

The Packers WRs are among the top in drops year after year. They can be very inconsistent as witnessed in the playoff game against the Giants as well as the Super Bowl.

[blackadder]

Originally Posted by SeanQuy

Sir, can you go ahead and name the three so call quarterbacks that you believe are better than Drew Brees, because you are leaving me in suspense, wondering who they are.

Just turn on ESPN or NFL Network. At best Drew is #4.

[strat1080]

Originally Posted by SeanQuy

Manning & Condon will want Manning original contract too. Here is a guy who is refusing to giveup a penny of the $28 Million bonus to his own team. What make you think he & his agent would take less to sign with the Saints?

NOFALCONS10, your statement above is only pointing at the obvious which is that Rogers, Manning, & Brady are the prettier QB. It is true that those 3 QBs (plus Eli, Rivers, Vick, Romo, etc.) are taller, bigger, stronger, and faster but none have been as productive as Brees has been for the past 5 years. Like I have stated before Drew Brees is the NFL modern day Joe Montana.

As for the teams talent comparison, I would definitely takes GB and NE talents over our.

I think that on any given play the Saints can flood the field with more talent in the passing game than the Patriots or Packers. You combine the WRs with Graham then add Sproles, Thomas, and Ingram to the mix that's quite a lethal combination. Green Bay has the edge at WRs but Graham is better than Finley and the Packers RBs are a complete joke compared to the Saints.

We also have to factor in what Aaron Rodgers passing stats would like playing indoors. We can't leave that out. His career passer rating in indoor games is 111. It can't be debated that indoor playing conditions inflate passing stats.

[Mule]

Maybe if we los Drew, Nicks & Colston, some of the Loomis fanboys will get it. Loomis is chanelling Jim Finks!

Lets see, we paid Reggie & wrung Pierre out. Now we're gonna wring out Drew.

TAR & FEATHER LOOMIS & LIGHT THE TAR ON FIRE!

[SeanQuy]

Originally Posted by strat1080

I think that on any given play the Saints can flood the field with more talent in the passing game than the Patriots or Packers. You combine the WRs with Graham then add Sproles, Thomas, and Ingram to the mix that's quite a lethal combination. Green Bay has the edge at WRs but Graham is better than Finley and the Packers RBs are a complete joke compared to the Saints.

We also have to factor in what Aaron Rodgers passing stats would like playing indoors. We can't leave that out. His career passer rating in indoor games is 111. It can't be debated that indoor playing conditions inflate passing stats.

Chase Daniel and Mark Brunell disagree with you. Go ask Matt Flynn and Matt Cassel what they thinks about the talents on the Packers and Patriots.

Don't let Drew's contract situation cloud your judgement. Would Jimmy "Thundercat" Graham be what he is today without Drew Brees taking the time to work with him? How good is Colston( 7th round pick) really?

Meachem and Henderson were early round bust before they had Brees.

Darren Sproles had a career year with Brees and not Rivers.

How good are our OLine really are?
Evan & Nicks are great guards, but are late round picks and is also the easiest position to play on the OLine
Bushrod made the probowl, but was pretty much abuse in the game, average at best.
Brian De La Puente and Zach Strief are career backup.
The Oline is good on the pass plays and average on the run plays. Our running game is only effective when the Defense least expected it.

Rodgers only have 2 good years compared to Drew 7 years.

[sammymvpknight]

Originally Posted by djf7288

I think Brees deserves to be the hughest paid player but we cannot afford to pay him that kind of money....... We need to spend money on our defense

Without Brees the Saints go nowhere. I have no proven making him the highest paid player in the league. But demanding give million per year more than Brady borders on Ratliff a franchise hostage.The Saints need to get the deal done...but Drew is going to have to settle for 20 million per. Poor guy

[Bayouman007]

Originally Posted by 1badsailor

Brees has a bunch of passovers playing at the skill positions for him the guards are what 4th and 5th rounders? Brady has done 0 since they were caught cheating. people mention brees weapons but truth is when they touch free agency noone snags them up.. I wonder why.. We have no idea what the players would do on another team but we do know right now in the NFL there isnt a hotter qb than brees

Brady has been to 2 superbowls lol after they got caught cheating. That is 1 more than us and turned in a 18-1 season breaking massive records in 2007... just sayin.

[thefifthwall]

How good is Drew?
Compare the offensive players the top QBs have played with
Drew has & continues to produce with less than any