Herm Edwards on the Rooney Rule

[TechDawg09]

Best comment:

derfshambeaux says:
Mar 29, 2012 2:06 PM
“Hello?! You interview to get the job! You don’t interview just to interview.”

[lades]

I think this is Herm's way of asking for a job interview... it's his only chance.

[jasonj]

Originally Posted by Proximo

Correlation does not equal causation.

The reason several have won Super Bowls in recent years is because those specific coaches were qualified for the job, even exceptional which is what makes a championship coach.

The Rooney Rule didn't give them that opportunity (it would still be there without the rule); they earned it just like any other qualified coach.

Unless there was a complete lack of qualified minority head coaches from 1928 - 1989 then no, the opportunity was not always there.

I'm not saying the Rooney rule was the reason they got the job, they all earned those jobs because they were the most qualified candidate. I'm just saying that the rule has helped, even if just slightly, make those opportunities more available.

BTW, the Rooney rule was put in place in 2003 in case anyone was wondering.

[TheGooch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue Sky

i would think that the Commissioner would, in a case like this, waive the Rooney Rule due to it being a special circumstance.. Then again, this is Roger Goodell we are talking about.

He will not do this...its a conspiracy to keep the Saints out of the Superbowl...they are going to do everything possible to make sure we dont make it to the big show....I promise you this is what is going on

[Swampy Saint]

Originally Posted by Saint Jeremy

I say the Saints bring in Herm, get him all excited about the job, and then hire Tuna instead. Herm would satisfy the Rooney rule.

^^^ this

[livefromDC]

Originally Posted by Proximo

Correlation does not equal causation.

The reason several have won Super Bowls in recent years is because those specific coaches were qualified for the job, even exceptional which is what makes a championship coach.

The Rooney Rule didn't give them that opportunity (it would still be there without the rule); they earned it just like any other qualified coach.

What you're saying also implies that before recently minority coaches qualified to do the job didn't exist. That wasn't the case as minorities served as positional coaches throughout the league. The Rooney Rule helped minorities break through a glass ceiling in the NFL. In college football which does not have a Rooney Rule, this process has been even slower. It's improving though and the NFL is a big reason why. The Rooney Rule does have merit but not in this instance. The Saints can't interview coaches from other NFL teams. Usually when a team hires a new coach, it falls into one of the following categories:
1. Its a big name that has their choice of where to go coach next after leaving one team: Fisher or Fox. In all cases, big name coaches aren't going to a team to be the interim head coach. They're going to be "the guy". Plus, they're all on teams now so the Saints can't talk to them.

2. Its an impressive young coordinator or position coach. These guys always, always go from one team straight to the next. In other words, there aren't any good young coordinators at home waiting to get a job. Which means, they're all on teams now so the Saints can't talk to them. This is where the majority of good minority coach candidates would come from, but they're off limits.

3. Its a big name that has chosen to sit out a couple seasons looking for the right opportunity: Gruden or Cowher. For these guys, being the interim head coach for a year is not the right opportunity. Outside of Dungy, there aren't any other minority candidates the Saints could choose from and Dungy isn't interesting in coaching again right now.

4. Mediocre coaches with mediocre records waiting to get the chance to coach again: Billick, Norv Turner (yeah he's working but he fits the bill), Green. The team that hires these guys aren't bold enough to hire a new name and don't have enough clout to lure in a big name. So they settle for the safe names. The Saints could hire from this pool, but why? They're trying to win the Super Bowl.

5. The college game. LMAO!!!!!!!!! No college coach in their right mind is going to leave their job for 1 year. What about a minority coach? Do you know how many Black college coaches there are in Div. 1-A? For Black College Coaches, Still Few Wins : NPR

Big-time college football had a record number of African-American head coaches this season — 13 out of 120 Division 1-A schools. Three years ago, there were just six. But of those 13 who coached this year, only one had a winning record. The reason may be that the jobs available to African-American candidates are with programs that haven't had winning traditions.

Sooo...we know the Saints aren't going to look in college for the interim head coach or satisfy the Rooney Rule (Unless Curtis Johnson does the team a favor...)

Of the 5 groups, the Saints are pretty limited to shopping in group 4 to hire outside of the organization (or so Goodell presumed). Because the pool from which the Saints can pull from is limited, I don't think the Rooney Rule should be inforced in this case. The Saints aren't looking for the most qualified head coach from the entire pool of candidates, they are looking for an interim coach from a purposely limited pool of possibilities. Forcing the Saints to interview a minority candidate is the mockery.

The Saints can't go the most traditional route toward satisfying the Rooney Rule by interviewing Black coordinators. They almost have to interview someone like Greene or Edwards. I'm guessing that nonoe of them would accept an interview or even be interested in an interim job so why would the Saints make an empty gesture.

The NFL thought the Saints would just fire Payton and fall apart or go it without a head coach and fall apart. Because the team is choosing to not lay down and die, the NFL and media outlets are disappointed if not outright angry.

[meezy0236]

Here's my question. The minority coaches that are currently in the NFL, were they already on their team's radar for hire or were they products of the Rooney Rule? I only ask because the rule has good intent, but it may have the opposite effect on what it was trying to accomplish.

[i WhoDat i]

I've heard Tomlin was hired because of the rule, but I don't know if he was on their radar. Can't imagine hiring someone that's not on your radar.

!WhoDat!

[chad_moore]

I think we should call up Herm Edwards and offer to interview him for the position. When he turns it down, then NO ONE can say a single word about it or the stupid Rooney Rule. We reached out and the idiot himself turned down the chance to interview.

At that point, by all means legally the rule would have been fullfilled, because every effort was made on the Saints part to comply. It was indeed the idiot Edwards who "chose" not to participate. Then let him go on TV and deal with that mess.

Every time he opens his big mouth, it just shows he has lost touch with the game, the league and even more so...the coaching aspect of the NFL!

[Infinite_Crescent]

In my best Stewie Griffin voice:

"Oh, yes, Herm, yes-yes yes, everything was going swimmingly for the Rooney Rule until this. Yes, yes, THIS is the thing that will make the Rooney Rule a scam, not the years of qualified African American candidates given meaningless token interviews while marquee coaches wait in the wings for this rule to be complied with so they can be officially hired, or the fact that the NFL has allowed that to happen for years because when it's all said and done they can't force a team to hire a Curtis Johnson over a Brian Billick regardless of potential, or that most teams target a specific coach based on their resume' and very little will deter them in that pursuit (Mike Tomlin being a very notable exception to this!), no no no, it's THIS. Do you hear yourself talk?"

[AARPSaint]

Originally Posted by SaintsWillWIn

What Herm is forgetting, there isn't the normal 'lead' time in this situation to even have to comply with the Rooney Rule.

Most coaches announce at least a year before they retire that they aren't coming back, so the team has plenty of time to decide if the OC or DC are going to take over, or start looking outside the organization.

To be truly fair, Kommisar Goodell should have told the Saints that, because of the unique 'circumstances' of the situation, they were excluded from having to comply with the Rooney Rule.

Let me beat the dead horse again. This is NOT the normal situation. Goodell just can't understand the difference, apparently.

[saintyclaus]

My understanding of the Rooney rule is that a minority candidate must be offered an interview when a head coaching position is available. I believe the current rule also states you can't just promote from within unless it has already been written in the contract of the person you are promoting. I doubt Pete Carmichael and Spags has that written in their contract.

We all know that is a very special situation; unprecedented even. Why wasn't the media upset even before Bill Parcells name got thrown around. IMO, this is just a case where the media is upset that the TEAM hasn't collapsed and given up. Maybe they could just interview Fred Mcafee and make everyone happy.

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Originally Posted by cki3915

Herm Edwards: Saints are making a mockery of the Rooney Rule | ProFootballTalk

Shenanigans.

The Rooney Rule itself is a sham.

Besides, Parcells satisfies the Rooney Rule. He is a Tuna.

Im black...and i have no problem with it. Any "White" person that applies isn't going to get it either. So its balanced lmao. Some folks pull the race card for EVERYTHING and are still stuck in the 70's.

How many "Minority" head coaches were intereviewd by 31 teams last year and didn't get the job? Probably a lot...so why all of a sudden are WE the ones making a mockery of it.

I wonder who the minority was that the Rams interviewed for their head coaching position last year? Obviously he didn't get the job and obviously he was just a place holder so they could hire Jeff Fisher...yet again its THE SAINTS that are making a mockery of it.

The rule itself is a mockery u anus.

Herm Edwards..
Please remove yourself from the Tip of the Saints Fleur De Lis

Thanks

[bearze34]

Originally Posted by cki3915

Herm Edwards: Saints are making a mockery of the Rooney Rule | ProFootballTalk

Shenanigans.

The Rooney Rule itself is a sham.

Besides, Parcells satisfies the Rooney Rule. He is a Tuna.

Herman has never liked the Saints. What a tool. Any excuse to get his mug or opinion out there.

[yurintroubl]

A little off-topic here - but this is how my brain works...

Parcells = Tuna






Every time I see Jim Caldwell - I think of all the "background fish" from Spongebob...






Just thought I'd share that with y'all.