Herm Edwards on the Rooney Rule - Page 5

FastCars · 03-29-2012, 04:09 PM

How can you tell a team that all the normal rules of hiring (can't hire from other team's staff) don't apply, yet you must follow this one rule?

Guess the Saints could bring in Doug Williams and a couple of other black college coaches.

AARPSaint · 03-29-2012, 04:14 PM

The problem here is that Goodell is enforcing the Rooney Rule in a situation where it was not meant to apply. The Rooney Rule is just fine under normal circumstances: a coach has been fired, or a coach has resigned or retired. That coach is not coming back, at least not with the same team. I have no problem with an affirmative action move like the Rooney Rule. But Sean Payton IS coming back, at least it would seem that way. He is SUSPENDED coach of the Saints. He is NOT the FORMER coach. Why Goodell cannot see the distinction is beyond me.

Herm Edwards is right that the minority interview will be a sham. I think he is right to be outraged about it, quite frankly. That's because Goodell is too stupid to realize the distinction between a FORMER coach and a SUSPENDED coach. I thought Goodell was a lawyer. He should be able to understand the difference.

HouseCall · 03-29-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AARPSaint

Herm Edwards is right that the minority interview will be a sham. I think he is right to be outraged about it, quite frankly. That's because Goodell is too stupid to realize the distinction between a FORMER coach and a SUSPENDED coach. I thought Goodell was a lawyer. He should be able to understand the difference.

The problem is that Herm isn't putting his outrage on Goodell, he's putting it on the Saints, saying we are making a mockery of the rule by talking to Parcells about the interim job instead of hypothetically having a blank slate, open-minded lengthy interview process involving coaches of all colors and creeds.

The fact that the Rooney rule applies in the interim coach designation does seem to fly in the face of the spirit of the rule. The Saints permanent head coaching position isn't open -- only an 8-9 month temporary spot.
Is that the type of opportunity that the rule was designed to create? I don't know, but I doubt it.

Herm is yelling fire and there isn't even smoke. As I mentioned before to assume that EVERY GM in the NFL doesn't carry a short list of coaches in their back pocket is absurd. The short list gets the first calls and then the rest of the candidates get their interviews.
That's the process -- fair or unfair.
It is what it is, to quote the Tuna.

NYCsaint · 03-29-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by !WhoDat!

I've heard Tomlin was hired because of the rule, but I don't know if he was on their radar. Can't imagine hiring someone that's not on your radar.

!WhoDat!

not true of tomlin, but id say a guy is a "maybe we will give him an interview" and then he really surprises you and you hire him, or rave to your friends at other teams, or bring him in yourself when you get another chance....

ive heard of teams thinking they were going in one direction before interviews and being totally surprised. in face i believe tom donahue said exactly that when hiring Gregg to be the Bills HC (obviously not a minority, but maybe option 4-5 going into the interviews, not a contender)

ELLIASJWILLIAMS · 03-29-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yurintroubl

A little off-topic here - but this is how my brain works...

Parcells = Tuna

Every time I see Jim Caldwell - I think of all the "background fish" from Spongebob...

Just thought I'd share that with y'all.

rubberneck · 03-29-2012, 05:06 PM

Sean Payton heavily promoted Curtis Johnson for the head coaching job at Tulane. As an alum, I was thrilled with that hire, and bought season tix, cause the program took a great step. Then Sean replaced him with Henry Ellard, who's NFL resume is amazing.

When sean was hired, I think we interviewed 2 african american candidates. It's pathetic to single out the saints who are in a tough position.

TechDawg09 · 03-29-2012, 05:07 PM

Any minority Saints fans want to volunteer to satisfy this rule so they can hire Parcells? (assuming they want to hire Parcells)

Surely there is someone on staff who would have a chat with Mickey.

60minutes · 03-29-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank The Rat

The rule has been mocked for years, nothing new. It doesn't make any sense. If you are qualified as a coach you are going to get an interview. It shouldn't even be needed in our situation....its not like we are trying to hire a full time coach for the next several years.

As a black man, I cannot agree more with your assessment. I think it is silly that the league is even requiring the team to abide by the Rooney rule for what amounts to be an interim position. Once we identified Parcells as the person best fitted to stand in for Sean Payton, that should have been the end of the search. Instead, it is the league that is mandating that we interview a minority. I think that is a terrible gesture by the league, not by the Saints. The Saints are simply following the rules since it is supposedly following the rules that keep you out of year-long suspensions. At any rate, the best minority coaches are already hired and on other teams. Goodell has said that we cannot interview coaches from other teams. So we are basically being asked to interview someone who mgiht not even be a worthy candidate just to "say that we did." I think this is the reason there is a mockery of the Rooney rule, and has been for some time. When teams identify who they want, they will hire that person. And interviewing a minority candidate only becomes a part of the process toward hiring the person already identified for the job. Now, the one thing that we all have to be mindful of, and that Herm definitely has to be mindful of, is the fact that when minority coaches are interviewed for jobs, it places their name into the conversation of what minority coaches out there should be identified as top head coaching candidates. So let's assume that we interview, say, Curtis Johnson. He might not get the position but it does start the process for him as teams begin to consider that he is head coaching material. Sometimes, we honestly have to look at the opportunities that can emerge down the road as much we focus on the supposedly lost opportunity of interviewing a minority candidate that you clearly plan not to hire since you already have your particular guy in mind.

detmut · 03-29-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AARPSaint

The problem here is that Goodell is enforcing the Rooney Rule in a situation where it was not meant to apply. The Rooney Rule is just fine under normal circumstances: a coach has been fired, or a coach has resigned or retired. That coach is not coming back, at least not with the same team. I have no problem with an affirmative action move like the Rooney Rule. But Sean Payton IS coming back, at least it would seem that way. He is SUSPENDED coach of the Saints. He is NOT the FORMER coach. Why Goodell cannot see the distinction is beyond me.

Herm Edwards is right that the minority interview will be a sham. I think he is right to be outraged about it, quite frankly. That's because Goodell is too stupid to realize the distinction between a FORMER coach and a SUSPENDED coach. I thought Goodell was a lawyer. He should be able to understand the difference.

he is not a lawyer. he has a bachelor's in economics.

GTSaint · 03-29-2012, 05:48 PM

Mrs. Herm:
"Herm, phone call for you. It's he Saints. They are wondering if we would like a free trip to New Orleans. Free crawfish and coors light. I told him hell yes we'll be there! That sounds like a great vacation!"

Herm:
"You told them what, woman!?!?!?"

KikkomanSauce · 03-29-2012, 06:05 PM

I think it's funny he said we're violating the "spirit" of the rule. Which would mean that the spirit of the rule is that a team must have at least 2 people in mind for the job and one of them must be a minority. So in Herm's mind it is a rule that dictates how organization's should think. Yeah...that's ridiculous.

Jason · 03-29-2012, 06:28 PM

Interesting how those teams vying for Fisher this offseason weren't making a mockery of the rule by saying they wanted him. Just the Saints right?

Shut up, Herm.

AARPSaint · 03-29-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by detmut

he is not a lawyer. he has a bachelor's in economics.

Really? Then he must have gone to college to get stupid.

Fontenot · 03-29-2012, 06:37 PM

Edwards has accomplished what pretty much no one has been able to do for weeks now. His diatribe has placed the Saints in a sympathetic light with the general NFL fan, if only for this particular situation. The vast majority regard applying the Rooney rule (which i dont object to in general) in this situation to be ludicrous. Thanks Herm.

ELLIASJWILLIAMS · 03-29-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Interesting how those teams vying for Fisher this offseason weren't making a mockery of the rule by saying they wanted him. Just the Saints right?

Shut up, Herm.

couldn't have said it better...actually i almost did on my post. But smh this is an obvious mockery of the rooney rule. And it will be mocked next year when Cowher comes back. SMH but since the Saints are already in the news why not throw more stones@them right??