NFL Brees surprises with selfish turn

[Devildog]

I'm going to go curl up in the corner and cry just like most people here seem to be doing.

[SaintsW1n]

Originally Posted by St. Widge

A person who is not a "selfish person" can still act selfishly in certain situations.

Of course. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

Originally Posted by St. Widge

How is what he is doing in these contract negotiations not selfish?

As I already said, I don't believe it's selfish for him to aggressively use his leverage and seek a huge contract. I think "selfish" is a mischaracterization when he's just participating in a process in the way it's structured.

Originally Posted by St. Widge

Or, to put it another way, how is asking to be paid $23 million per year in the first three years of the contract, when the team offered $18.5 million per year guaranteed for the first three years, in the best interest of the team?

Again, it's not Brees' responsibility to ensure the best interests of the team. It's the front office's. In theory any player who doesn't take less than market value is inherently acting against the best interests of the team, so I don't give that argument much weight.

[Bartyboy]

Originally Posted by stevend

I won't pretend to know who is right or wrong in this situation. I would probably say both a little right and both a little wrong.

But I would say I don't believe Schein would post the figures unless they are correct.

I personally don't trust politicians and most news writers especially sports writers. So the proof for me is when it comes from Drew or Loomis.

I am not talking about right or wrong here just saying we don't have the actual facts. Without the facts I have no opinion.

[efil4stnias]

Originally Posted by amused

OK , Here goes …
You said:


To which was replied :



Followed by:



...and since the definition is :



Any literate and reasonable person hearing Drew's asking [sic] will reasonably assign a fit with no.1 , and quite possibly with a side of no.2 ...



I can see in which half you reside , hope you found this as amusing as I did ...

I did lol. If u read the article in full, the context is his attempt to rest the blame for this at the feet of Drew. Using the term demand immediately preceded by the term ask is painting Drew as the villain. So I take issue with his choice of verb in that sentence.

It's clear the emotion he was attempting to evoke. I'm not interested in the semantcis, rather the purpose of the article. Which was to take an unwarranted (imo) shot at Drew for standing firm.on what WE all know his true open market value to be.

Dang. I knew that English book, when stood up open, was more than just an obstruction when I slept in Mrs. Little's English class.

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[SpinnerSaint]

Why are some people on here acting like he was so vastly underpaid? Have you read his book? He was throwing ducks when we signed him and no one knew if he would ever fully recover to throw a football accurately over 15 yards. We signed him to a 6 year, $60 million deal - that's $10 million a year - for someone coming off major/possible career ending surgery.

I know he has mostly played lights out and is arguably the best in the NFL. But when the next highest guy is making under $20 million and you ask for $23 million - that's a recipe for breaking up our "best offense in the history of the NFL."

We couldn't stay on top forever, and I guess this is just one more reason to believe the honeymoon is soon to be over. I have faith we'll still be competitive, but I don't expect us to dominate like we did last season.

[Saint Droopy]

Originally Posted by CaliSaint4Life

At the end of the day, he turned down a contract that would have made him the highest paid QB in NFL history. I'm sorry, but he's being a bit selfish at the moment.

Brady and Manning did it right, Brees is doing it wrong, and he hurt his team in a major way in doing it.

Facts are facts....

I cosign this post... it is what it is. if being the highest-paid at your position in the entire league isn't good enough, then what exactly is it do you want? Part-ownership too?

So now that being the "top dawg" wasn't enough, we're going to (more than likely) lose the best guard in football, who happens to protect him. He'll lose his top receiver, who he trusts will come down with his passes in a crunch, and we might lose his deep threat that opened things up for Graham and Sproles underneath.

I'm not "turning on Brees"... I just feel he (or his agent) may have screwed us out of a real special season(s) even with this other "bounty" mess that's going on.

A Super Bowl home game?

[Mason]

Just pay him the 23 million and get it over with. That's why I never liked the franchise tag. He's a Free Agent, and there are 25+ teams that would happily pay him 23 million, but since you're cheap, you get to lock him to your franchise without letting him get market value? Doesn't seem fair at all.

It's a black mark on this franchise that we would do this to the guy that took the paper bags off our heads, that brought us a Super Bowl, that broke countless records, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. It's a black mark and I don't like how we've handled this. I'm ashamed actually. 25 other teams that'd pay him that money, yet we're being cheap. Just pay him, this is so stupid.

[efil4stnias]

Originally Posted by SaintsW1n

Of course. I don't think anyone would argue with that.



As I already said, I don't believe it's selfish for him to aggressively use his leverage and seek a huge contract. I think "selfish" is a mischaracterization when he's just participating in a process in the way it's structured.



Again, it's not Brees' responsibility to ensure the best interests of the team. It's the front office's. In theory any player who doesn't take less than market value is inherently acting against the best interests of the team, so I don't give that argument much weight.

This is what baffles me. I said previously that if a FO stands firm on a players value and signs a player to a lead-than his worth contract, they're heralded as shrewd and successful. But when the employee attempts to garner what is fair market value, regardless of cap situation ( which wasn't his duty to manage anyway) he is a selfish jerk.

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[efil4stnias]

Originally Posted by SpinnerSaint

Why are some people on here acting like he was so vastly underpaid? Have you read his book? He was throwing ducks when we signed him and no one knew if he would ever fully recover to throw a football accurately over 15 yards. We signed him to a 6 year, $60 million deal - that's $10 million a year - for someone coming off major/possible career ending surgery. .

That's just it....he was underpaid for the services he provided. You act as if the information provided by Dr. Andrews and team Drs was that of they guy may never play again. When fact is was that he will be better than before.

And he was.


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[saint_cajun78]

Originally Posted by stevend

I won't pretend to know who is right or wrong in this situation. I would probably say both a little right and both a little wrong.

But I would say I don't believe Schein would post the figures unless they are correct.

Yes because a journalist or reporter would never do such a thing....

[Saint Droopy]

Originally Posted by efil4stnias

That's just it....he was underpaid for the services he provided. You act as if the information provided by Dr. Andrews and team Drs was that of they guy may never play again. When fact is was that he will be better than before.

And he was.


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Using the "he outplayed his contract" argument is cool and all but he signed that contract. If he wanted more money he should have worked out some performance-based bonuses.

I'm not buying the "he wants what he's owed from being underpaid" jive... the fact is the contract that's on the table is more than any other QB in the league including one dude that has 3 rings, and the other one that has 4 MVPs.

Even if it were $1 more he's still the highest-paid. I understand the Brees love and he has done more than any QB may ever do in new orleans, but on this one I think he's just wrong.

Anybody that disagrees... we can just agree to disagree, but he's sacrificing the roster because he wants more coin.

The players agreed on the franchise tag in the CBA so those that "hate the tag"... can blame the players for agreeing to it.

I just hope that when the Saints finally cave to his demands (because they really have no choice) I just hope we don't lose everybody that has become good ball players in this system.

[Broadmoor74]

Originally Posted by Mason

Just pay him the 23 million and get it over with. That's why I never liked the franchise tag. He's a Free Agent, and there are 25+ teams that would happily pay him 23 million, but since you're cheap, you get to lock him to your franchise without letting him get market value? Doesn't seem fair at all.

It's a black mark on this franchise that we would do this to the guy that took the paper bags off our heads, that brought us a Super Bowl, that broke countless records, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. It's a black mark and I don't like how we've handled this. I'm ashamed actually. 25 other teams that'd pay him that money, yet we're being cheap. Just pay him, this is so stupid.

Some would argue -- and i'm one of them -- that $23 million is not the market value of Drew Brees. Manning got a frontloaded contract that paid him $23 million over the first three seasons. Clearly, that contract was a bad one, and it has crippled the franchise, arguably to the point that the Colts are now officially in re-building mode. If $23 million/season prevents the team from being able to put a championship-caliber team on the field, then it seems to me that $23 million is too much.

[saint_cajun78]

These Brees threads are now out of control like a Sumo wrestler at a buffet.

Wait until the whole story is out before you go painting pictures. Especially of a player who has done nothing but bring more fans, money and unity to the City of NO and the gulf coast region. Yet at the first sign of trouble you burn him at the stake. Just plain sad is what this is.

I'll wait to pass judgement after "Official" details are out and he is signed which he will be.

[TheBigKhunha]

Originally Posted by justdave

Maybe we should wait to hear from Drew,to see how it all pans out,and get the complete actual story before we put the torch to him....

Exactly. Too many haters here. Believe all the heresay and make judgement.

[stevend]

Originally Posted by saint_cajun78

Yes because a journalist or reporter would never do such a thing....

It's not characteristic of Adam Schein.