The Saints got shafted out of a TD and a safety because of poor officiating yet for the most part the fans think the replacements did a fairly good job. What does that say about the original refs?
It says that those fans are dumb. All refs make mistakes, as a result, most fans are unhappy with the refs no matter who is calling the game... but WHY in the world would you want sub-par refs who are more likely to call the games WORSE??
I kind of enjoyed not having every tick tacky thing called, especially late hits.
But yeah, they missed the Safety. The TD was more understandable. The regular refs miss that call all the time as well. If we'd of challenged it we'd of won it.
I think it's a bit early to denounce them. This is pre-season for them too. 3-4 games under their belts and I'd bet they are more comfortable making calls out there.
it was the first game, they will get better. They are rookies, they need a few games to get to speed.
and how can people as saints fans really believe that the officiating has been stellar for this franchise over its existence. There are thousands of posts on blown calls and terrible officiating.
Im not really missing Ed Hochuli is what im saying
I certainly don't miss Hochuli, but these guys were rediculous. The 4th quarter must have lasted an hour. Yes they are rookies, problem is it takes most rookies a full season to get used to the speed of the game. Goodell needs to get this settled and put the best product on the field, not a bunch of rookies. I spend a fortune for the privelege of watching the NFL product. The least the NFL can do is make sure that the product they are putting on the field is the best it can be. With replacement refs it's not even close. Are they going to refund season ticket holders a portion of their payment for offering a sub-standard product. No way that happens.
The regular refs may not seem to be that good a lot of the time, but these guys aren't even close. Just wait till it costs us a game or 2.
I certainly don't miss Hochuli, but these guys were ridiculous. The 4th quarter must have lasted an hour. Yes they are rookies, problem is it takes most rookies a full season to get used to the speed of the game. Goodell needs to get this settled and put the best product on the field, not a bunch of rookies. I spend a fortune for the privelege of watching the NFL product. The least the NFL can do is make sure that the product they are putting on the field is the best it can be. With replacement refs it's not even close. Are they going to refund season ticket holders a portion of their payment for offering a sub-standard product. No way that happens.
The regular refs may not seem to be that good a lot of the time, but these guys aren't even close. Just wait till it costs us a game or 2.
Agreed. FWIW, I don't have a huge problem with the regular refs, even Hochuli. Yes, they miss some stuff but I think most of the problems are in the rules themselves. They're too hard to enforce at full speed, too arbitrary and often require judgement calls from the officials. I expect the replacement officials (surprised that I haven't seen the term "scab" yet ) to get better. But will they get good enough soon enough? If they don't show some improvement soon, the RA are going to be licking their chops. The NFL can't put this product on the field in the regular season.
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How can goodell rail on and on about player safety and then let these inexperienced referees call these games? The amount of hypocrisy is staggering.
This is the larger issue. While the "real" refs might not be anywhere near perfect they are supposed to be the best there is. How can the commish justify using high school, lower level college and whoever else they can dig up and say it's in the best interest of the players and beat for the integrity of the game?
C'mon man. Just more proof he is more about power than doing what's right.
The refs make a paltry amount compared to players and utimately they are the ones who are in control of the game and safety of the players. Don't know how many refs are in a game but if you paid them what they were asking it would still be less than 1% of game revenue.
It was poor officiating but I have to admit it was refreshing not to have yellow flags flying constantly throughout the game.
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All of the "missed calls" I saw, should have gone the SAINTS way and that's no I wasn't sitting shotgun on the bandwagon watching the game.
Tanner took a shot to the head by the crown of a Card's helmet.
Downed ball should have been a touchback.
There were at least two penalty calls against the Cards where the ball wound up on some part of the field which had nothing to do with anything called or not called.
I mean, Child PLEASE! I know all of the Coaches on both teams were just appalled by what was happening but I suppose they were also glad no one got critically injured and it was just The HofF Game! I know that's how I felt!
The hit on Tanner was completely legal. He was not a receiver in a "defenseless" position when he was hit. He had already secured the ball and taken a step.
I was really confused as well, but according to the box score, the call for holding was on the Saints and not the Cards. So basically is was anther mistake that eventually took them about 10 minutes to correct.
Here is the official line from the box:
(Punt formation) R.Schmitt punts 56 yards to NO 20, Center-M.Leach. T.Cadet to NO 41 for 21 yards (P.Vassallo). PENALTY on NO, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NO 41.
Thanks. That's what I thought it must have been. Would have been nice if the guys being paid to call the game had actually--I don't know--NOTICED it and said something about it.
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This is the larger issue. While the "real" refs might not be anywhere near perfect they are supposed to be the best there is. How can the commish justify using high school, lower level college and whoever else they can dig up and say it's in the best interest of the players and beat for the integrity of the game?
C'mon man. Just more proof he is more about power than doing what's right.
The refs make a paltry amount compared to players and utimately they are the ones who are in control of the game and safety of the players. Don't know how many refs are in a game but if you paid them what they were asking it would still be less than 1% of game revenue.
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I feel for the replacement refs. The game is too fast and the rules totally different than the level they are used to reffing at. It looked to me that both coaches and players from each team were trying to help out the refs on the interpretation of some of the rules.
Truth be told, the regular NFL refs are needed back on the field if truly the league is serious about the safety of the game. No they don't get every call right, but they are used to the speed of the game and know the rules and their craft.
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Good god, really? They're replacements in their FIRST PRESEASON GAME in the NFL. Of course they're going to make mistakes. At least they screwed up by NOT throwing flags...hell of a change of pace.
When the NFLRA makes a list of errors made by refs in the NFLRA, call me. Until then, I refuse to have any sympathy for people who are turning down full-time jobs.
What's good for football in the long run is refs who work full time, year round, and focus on getting better at THAT job instead of lawyering or doctoring or what the hell ever they do. If that means some poorly officiated preseason games, fine.
This is the larger issue. While the "real" refs might not be anywhere near perfect they are supposed to be the best there is. How can the commish justify using high school, lower level college and whoever else they can dig up and say it's in the best interest of the players and beat for the integrity of the game?
Because it is, long-term. I'm with him on this one. These guys will be better than the NFLRA within a year if they're doing it full time. It'll keep getting better. The status quo is unacceptable.
It really doesn't matter If they get better. The so called commish put himself in a no win position again. If they don't get better how is that going to help his player safety stance? How long do they give the new guys to adjust to the speed of play and learn the rules? 10 concussions, a broken neck or two? The preseason? If they do get better, better than the old ones, what does that say? He waited until a major law suit to get better officiating than in the past? More ammo for the lawyers. You can bet there is more to it than giving the refs a couple hundred more dollars per game or whatever they want. Or he is just plain stupid.
When the NFLRA makes a list of errors made by refs in the NFLRA, call me. Until then, I refuse to have any sympathy for people who are turning down full-time jobs.
Actually the regular Refs do grade themselves after every game just like the coaches grade players.
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) to get better. But will they get good enough soon enough? If they don't show some improvement soon, the RA are going to be licking their chops. The NFL can't put this product on the field in the regular season.
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