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Old 02-22-2013, 10:46 PM   #61
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@TonyPauline reported today #LSU coaches aren't giving DE Sam Montgomery a "ringing endorsement" to NFL teams. Not a good sign for him.
Why would LSU coaches do this? What could they possibly hope to gain?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:49 PM   #62
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disappointing unless it is for the vet minimum. but does not really surprise me considering they were so loyal as to keep shanle for 6 years.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:50 PM   #63
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Why would LSU coaches do this? What could they possibly hope to gain?
It really doesn't make all that much sense for them to do that. Either he did something to miss someone off, or the story is erroneous. Id lean toward the latter.
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Credibility for when they do give good endorsements?

It happens, college coaches do slam players at times. The only reason Greg Hardy slipped to the 6th round was because Houston Nutt slammed his personality. Then he ends up with 11 sacks but it's also just as likely that its something someone on some NFL team is putting out to drive Montgomery's value down so they can get him too.
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You get made fun of enough in the VG boards...lol.

That being said, if it's a team friendly deal, then keep him. No harm in that case. .
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I don't understand this either? Payton is loyal to a fault? He traded Reggie Bush. He just cut Dave Thomas. He has fired multiple coordinators... Gary Gibbs was a personal friend of his from Dallas. Fired.
Cmon Dan... I love your posts but yes they are loyal to a fault. He traded Reggie bush because Bush wanted to leave for a better role (and he would have left without compensation after his contract was up). He cut Dave Thomas to trim cap... but I'd be willing to bet Thomas will be back at a lower cap #. Gary Gibbs should have been fired waay before he did get fired because our defense sucked then too (did he get fired or did his contract run out?). I think you'd agree that we needed a new DC. Charles Grant was on his way to Tampa before Payton persuaded Loomis to resign him... Grant had NO business getting the contract he signed, but that's another example of Payton and his loyalty.

And your statement about Will Smith being hands down our best DE is absolutely correct, but compared to what? Smith has been hands down our best DE since Darren Howard left. That doesn't mean the guy hasn't underperformed for years now. Smith has been average at best since '09, and I understand we can't simply cut him because of his cap #, but we need more talent at DE regardless of scheme. I know these are great "locker room guys" but at what price do they stay if their performance on the field doesn't command the contract?
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Jonathan Vilma himself said that he hates playing in a 3-4. It is how he originally injured his knee, which in turn has been a continuous problem since the 2010 season. 31 is old when you been playing in the NFL since you were 22. That is a decade of wear and tear. Ive been in the Marine Corps. for a decade and my body doesn't feel anywhere near the same at age 29 as it did at 18. I can only imagine the mileage an NFL season puts on your body. Vilma's spirit maybe willing, but his body isn't able.

Will Smith has been horrible since 2009, period. End of story! Ive accepted it and moved on. He isn't all of a sudden going to be a better DE in a 3-4 than he was in a 4-3.

My comments aren't emotional ones when I can point to tangible evidence that says Vilma and Smith have stunk it up since 2009. There are other scouting services that say this. Thats how I know my reactions and statements aren't emotional. The data is empirical. Im not just relying on my gut or my eye. Its backed up by cold hard facts my friend.
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I think everyone is missing out on the role of the 3-4 end though. Will will be able to bulk up some in the offseason and be more of a block eater. The idea is to have a LDE who can match up on the slimmer left tackles and bull rush them. The RDE is actually slimmer and tries to use more of a speed move around the typically heavier/run oriented right tackles.

The Saints have always been burned by that combo. Bushrod can't block bull rushers and Strief can't block outside speed guys. The 3-4 line up is tailored to beating a typical NFL style line. I've been saying for the past 2 years that we have a 3-4 line without the 3-4 line backers on the field.
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By any measure Smith has failed miserably to perform well since his big contract was signed. That said, I do believe that the staff knows more than I do about talent evaluation so if they think he should be on the team so be it. I don't know if this means he will be here at the beginning of the season or if it is just to clear cap space but it is a bit of a head scratcher at this point.

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Some people can type faster than I can so I guess their infinite amount of bashing doesn't bother them. Since I am much slower I will try to post less and just get to the point.

Payton is in control, and he knows more about this team than anybody else. He has guys like Parcells, Loomis, Bellichek and Ryan to bounce things off of. But I don't think he needs that much help from those guys to run his team efficiently. And he surely doesn't need to ask any SR folks their opinions about whether to renegotiate contracts with the players that he chooses to go into battle with next season.

If you really want to vent some more and tell Payton how to run the show, then send an email to Bensel and quit arguing to us fans here, as we are tired of hearing it, its juvenile and not well received any more.
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Many of you have problems with Smith's production, but I have a bigger problem with the productiveness of posters in this thread. Here's an example of a productive post, one that deserves a spot on the team that is Saintsreport:

"I disagree with this move. I feel that Smith's production doesn't warrant retaining him, even in the 3-4 at a reduced contract. It's vital that we enforce a new mentality of accountability to go with our new coordinator, and I feel as though we have to cut underperforming players to do so. If you look at his stats, he's been in decline since 2009 in terms of sacks. I feel as though we need to develop players like Hicks, Jordan and Johnson and that he'll only hinder this development process."

Here is a post that deserves to be cut:

"Are you kidding me, this is terrible! He doesn't do a thing all season and still expects to collect a paycheck? I'd be embarrassed to play like that. He can't get it done so he needs to go, show me one play where he wasn't a useless failure. He must be CUT. End of story!"

See how they express the same opinion, but one post is useful but the other isn't?

Sorry, you have to evaluate him based on his performance, not on how angry he made you when the Saints lost last year.
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But you're not taking in everything into consideration when the Jets switched to the 3-4 he had Dewayne Robertson as his NT and he couldn't keep blockers off Vilma which is vital in the 3-4. In 2009 Gw ran the 3-4 between 35% and 40% of the snaps and Vilma had a career year.

Will Smith getting restructured doesn't mean he will make the team if five other guys are better than he will be cut, if not then he earned it and isn't that a major part of camp?
Incorrect. GW ran 3 man fronts about 30% of the time, most of which came in nickle and dime situations where Vilma was dropping in coverage or blitzing. The large of our majority of our snaps in our base defense were in a 43. Also, that was 4 years ago when Vilma was 27 and in his peak prime.
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But you're not taking in everything into consideration when the Jets switched to the 3-4 he had Dewayne Robertson as his NT and he couldn't keep blockers off Vilma which is vital in the 3-4. In 2009 Gw ran the 3-4 between 35% and 40% of the snaps and Vilma had a career year.
One problem with that theory, now he is going to have to shed the block of Will Smith and whatever guard or tackle is driving him towards the secondary.
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