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Old 02-23-2013, 12:15 AM   #71
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Some people can type faster than I can so I guess their infinite amount of bashing doesn't bother them. Since I am much slower I will try to post less and just get to the point.

Payton is in control, and he knows more about this team than anybody else. He has guys like Parcells, Loomis, Bellichek and Ryan to bounce things off of. But I don't think he needs that much help from those guys to run his team efficiently. And he surely doesn't need to ask any SR folks their opinions about whether to renegotiate contracts with the players that he chooses to go into battle with next season.

If you really want to vent some more and tell Payton how to run the show, then send an email to Bensel and quit arguing to us fans here, as we are tired of hearing it, its juvenile and not well received any more.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:25 AM   #72
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Many of you have problems with Smith's production, but I have a bigger problem with the productiveness of posters in this thread. Here's an example of a productive post, one that deserves a spot on the team that is Saintsreport:

"I disagree with this move. I feel that Smith's production doesn't warrant retaining him, even in the 3-4 at a reduced contract. It's vital that we enforce a new mentality of accountability to go with our new coordinator, and I feel as though we have to cut underperforming players to do so. If you look at his stats, he's been in decline since 2009 in terms of sacks. I feel as though we need to develop players like Hicks, Jordan and Johnson and that he'll only hinder this development process."

Here is a post that deserves to be cut:

"Are you kidding me, this is terrible! He doesn't do a thing all season and still expects to collect a paycheck? I'd be embarrassed to play like that. He can't get it done so he needs to go, show me one play where he wasn't a useless failure. He must be CUT. End of story!"

See how they express the same opinion, but one post is useful but the other isn't?

Sorry, you have to evaluate him based on his performance, not on how angry he made you when the Saints lost last year.
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But you're not taking in everything into consideration when the Jets switched to the 3-4 he had Dewayne Robertson as his NT and he couldn't keep blockers off Vilma which is vital in the 3-4. In 2009 Gw ran the 3-4 between 35% and 40% of the snaps and Vilma had a career year.

Will Smith getting restructured doesn't mean he will make the team if five other guys are better than he will be cut, if not then he earned it and isn't that a major part of camp?
Incorrect. GW ran 3 man fronts about 30% of the time, most of which came in nickle and dime situations where Vilma was dropping in coverage or blitzing. The large of our majority of our snaps in our base defense were in a 43. Also, that was 4 years ago when Vilma was 27 and in his peak prime.
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But you're not taking in everything into consideration when the Jets switched to the 3-4 he had Dewayne Robertson as his NT and he couldn't keep blockers off Vilma which is vital in the 3-4. In 2009 Gw ran the 3-4 between 35% and 40% of the snaps and Vilma had a career year.
One problem with that theory, now he is going to have to shed the block of Will Smith and whatever guard or tackle is driving him towards the secondary.
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58 tackles last year as a DE. That's a career high for Smith. Yeah, I think he'll be able to find 15 plays, easy.
PFF rated him as the second worst 4-3 defensive end this past season. Additionally he is a bad fit in a 34.
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Some people can type faster than I can so I guess their infinite amount of bashing doesn't bother them. Since I am much slower I will try to post less and just get to the point.

Payton is in control, and he knows more about this team than anybody else. He has guys like Parcells, Loomis, Bellichek and Ryan to bounce things off of. But I don't think he needs that much help from those guys to run his team efficiently. And he surely doesn't need to ask any SR folks their opinions about whether to renegotiate contracts with the players that he chooses to go into battle with next season.

If you really want to vent some more and tell Payton how to run the show, then send an email to Bensel and quit arguing to us fans here, as we are tired of hearing it, its juvenile and not well received any more.
How did y'all trip go

Do you understand the concept of a message board. This isn't north Korea , ppl can have a opinion and it doesn't have to match yours or SP
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Ok if you going to cut who are you going to get to replace him. Just because he redoes his contract doesn't mean he makes the team. We need to be patient and let this play out Payton has watched this team for a year he will address the problems on defense he has no choice.
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Incorrect. GW ran 3 man fronts about 30% of the time, most of which came in nickle and dime situations where Vilma was dropping in coverage or blitzing. The large of our majority of our snaps in our base defense were in a 43. Also, that was 4 years ago when Vilma was 27 and in his peak prime.
Think it was a bit more then 30%, we spent a large amount of time in so-called "nickel" sets, primarily a 3-3-5 type grouping, but with Roman Harper acting almost as the fourth linebacker. We also had some outright 3-4 groupings, and some 2-4-5, etc. I'd say it was less than half of the snaps did we have 4 down linemen in a 3 point stance.
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We've won a lot of games with this core group of leaders, which includes both Smith and Vilma. I'm excited that we're going to make one more run with this group. I think those two players in particular are more valuable to the locker room/position group rooms than we as fans would know.
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How much money is already committed to him through signing bonuses, etc spread out over this and next year? Wonder the same for Harper. That makes a huge difference. When you cut a player, that money still counts against the cap
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How much money is already committed to him through signing bonuses, etc spread out over this and next year? Wonder the same for Harper. That makes a huge difference. When you cut a player, that money still counts against the cap
$2 million for Smith
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That's the part folks forget. That's why it's hard to cut players because they already count against the cap
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There should end up being 5 DE's on the roster if he makes the roster then be mad at the guy who didn't beat him out.
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He won't need to rush the passer with speed as a 3-4 DE and speed is what he has lost the last few years. He's an experienced veteran that played well under Gregg Williams in what was essentially a 3-4 scheme similar to what Rob Ryan runs.

No, he is no longer a double digit sack guy, but he is still a guy that can set the edge and allow a LB to run free. And he is a guy that can get you some pressure with some veteran tricks, strength and effort. Which is really what you want in a 3-4 1 gap defense. So, if he will play at a number that will allow Loomis to sign the free agents we want and our draft picks then I see no reason to not have his veteran presence in the locker room. To think otherwise is reactionary and shows a lack of understanding of what makes a team.
I was getting ready to write the exact same thing. While Smith is on the downside of his career, is game, at this point, is MUCH better suited to be a 3-4 DE...a Frank Warren type that allowed Swilling to use his speed to get to the QB.


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