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Old 09-09-2012, 11:07 PM   #71
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He was purely a luxury we did not need. To waste a 1st and 2nd round pick on a RB did not seem smart when we did it and has not looked any better since. Let's hope he starts to show some value.
IF there is an argument this would be it. We could of had two more play makers on defense, which is sorely needed right now. But, it is what it is. I still have very high hopes for MI.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:08 PM   #72
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He was a waste of a first round pick.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:08 PM   #73
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We barely ran the ball today lol
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:11 PM   #74
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We barely ran the ball today lol
Exactly... we should be questioning PT and Sproles because they didn't exactly light it up in their limited touches either.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:12 PM   #75
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Guess its just me then. I still think he's gonna be solid. Our OL was pathetic today, none of our RB's could do anything.

My only critique is he needs to slow down & follow his blockers better, always running up their backs.
Maybe I need to re-watch the game but I didn't think our run blocking was all that terrible and we saw some solid runs from the backs that took hand-offs. Sure it wasn't GREAT but it was good enough a lot of the time, the holding calls didn't help either, I know you're supposed to forget about penalties but as a player they kind of "troll" you the whole game and when they start to pile up and everyone is getting called for holding that can effect you mentally even if you don't think it's changing your execution. Then again for all we know Ingram told them to block how his Bama line used to and that's why we got all the holding calls.

The main problem with the running game in my opinion is that we pretty much abandoned it early. Carmichael panicked and we went pass happy, it's something Payton used to do often in his earlier years with us and still does from time to time so it's not unsurprising that his understudy Carmichael did the same.

Now when it comes to Ingram, I agree with you. He needs to use that vision he was touted as having when he gets his opportunities. I will also say that for whatever reason it seems PT gets the best blocking from our line, maybe he just makes them look better I'm not sure, but he seems to be the most effective which is why he's the starter right now. Ingram had some nice preseason runs though, so we know he can do it, but he needs to get it done when it counts. You kind of have to feel for the guy too, last year he starts coming into his own and gets hurt, this year his head coach is suspended. Hell of a way to start your NFL career really.

In short, I wouldn't pencil him in as a bust just yet. I think the only reason people are so quick to judge is because we traded up for him. In hindsight though, we probably would've lost that pick this season anyway do to the Fuhrer's punishments so we should be glad we got someone.
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nobody is judging him off of 6 carries. he has been mediocre his whole time here. even this preseason he was terrible yet everyone wanted to pick on ivory.
He was terrible in preseason? Say what? Apart from the last game against backups Ivory was the one that looked terrible in preseason.

As has been pointed out countless times Ingram played last year with a mess of a o-line. Kreutz was useless and Brown's an inferior run blocker compared to Strief.

Lay off your vendetta. The coaches are rolling with Ingram not because he's a high draft pick, it's because he's superior to Ivory. The sooner you're willing to accept reality the happier you'll be.
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He was terrible in preseason? Say what? Apart from the last game against backups Ivory was the one that looked terrible in preseason.

As has been pointed out countless times Ingram played last year with a mess of a o-line. Kreutz was useless and Brown's an inferior run blocker compared to Strief.

Lay off your vendetta. The coaches are rolling with Ingram not because he's a high draft pick, it's because he's superior to Ivory. The sooner you're willing to accept reality the happier you'll be.
in what universe is 3.1 ypc not terrible? say what is right. no need t make excuses for ingram. he is not performing anywhere near where he should be. lets mot make this an argument about ivory vs ingram, I could care less who gets the carries as long as they produce. ingram is not producing and wasnt terribly productive last year.
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Ingram is a good back and didn't get enough carries but when he is in there he is taking opportunity away from PT. To me it seems like PT runs with more determination and is a better fit. Ingram is solid but PT is a difference maker.
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I will probably get a lot of hate for this...but IMO Ingram will never work out for you guys...

For another team? Probably..

For Saints? No way...

He is not a back that can be rotated between 3 backs. He is the kind that needs to get 25+ touches per game to have a good performance. In the Saints offense that will never happen
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I will probably get a lot of hate for this...but IMO Ingram will never work out for you guys...

For another team? Probably..

For Saints? No way...

He is not a back that can be rotated between 3 backs. He is the kind that needs to get 25+ touches per game to have a good performance. In the Saints offense that will never happen
Honestly you might be right. I can see where you're coming from but I don't think it's time to call him a bust just yet. We'll see as the weeks go on.

It's really all about mentality, IF Ingram accepts his role and decides to make the most of it with a view to eventually replacing PT as the go to guy then he'll succeed here. If, like Reggie, he decides he wants to prove he's an every down guy then he probably won't.

Congrats on the win today by the way.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:11 AM   #81
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Is it time to start worrying about Mark Ingram?

I haven't see anything from him that looks anything like he how he played in college.
Maybe.

I watched him in person at Bama and he has never been the same back since he got his knee hurt. Calibucsfan brings up a good point though. Mark usually got better and better as the clock wound down and his carries added up. Some of that is because the physical style Alabama plays will wear a defense out late. Regardless, I'm not sure he will ever get that type of work with the Saints.

I'm not sure. For one I am biased in his favor and for two I don't think we have ever seen him health and/or properly utilized with the Saints.
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I've never been impressed with him!! They should use Pierre, Sproles, Ivory and Cadet!
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:39 AM   #83
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Ingrim has a great burst for a back of his size....he will be ok. Not worried at all. I think he's pressing....he gets so few carries he's bursting at the seems to make something happen.

all I hope for is that we can play .500 ball till we get Vitt back. If we can do that will be in good shape to make the run.
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I will probably get a lot of hate for this...but IMO Ingram will never work out for you guys...

For another team? Probably..

For Saints? No way...

He is not a back that can be rotated between 3 backs. He is the kind that needs to get 25+ touches per game to have a good performance. In the Saints offense that will never happen
You might have a point, but I think he's just the kind of back that needs a hole or at least a niche created for him at the line. He's not the type of back like Pierre who creates yards out of nothing. Ingram needs that 4th or 5th step to really get going. But also yeah.... I do have my doubts starting to creep in my head about him. I honestly would just like to feed the rock to Pierre and Sproles then bring in Ivory more in the 2nd half. If I could go back in time I wouldn't make that trade to pick Ingram, but at the time it was the right decision. Maybe thats what makes it more frustrating....cuz there's no one really to blame....
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