From Tripplet's chat going on right now...

[SaintsJunkie]

lol, no one was carted off? so did they pay for grabbing the qb's towel or pulling his shoe laces?

[Bayouman007]

Originally Posted by AARPSaint

Eveyone hates lawyers until they need one.

The problem is that you would never really need one if politics wasnt so corrupt.

[stevend]

Originally Posted by AARPSaint

Eveyone hates lawyers until they need one.

Nah, you pretty much still hate them.

[Denzien]

Originally Posted by SaintsJunkie

lol, no one was carted off? so did they pay for grabbing the qb's towel or pulling his shoe laces?

They paid extra if you tied his laces together while he's in a pile

[GTSaint]

Originally Posted by DMaestro

Short of a canceled check with a memo line saying "For that sicknasty hit on Steve Smith", I don't see how evidence of money changing hands can be tied to a pay-to-injure scheme.

Let me go one further: it is logically impossible for there to exist any documentable evidence of money changing hands for a pay-to-injure scheme because...... we never injured anyone. So if presenting such evidence in such a fashion is Jolly Roger's Grand Strategy for reclaiming the moral high ground in this fiasco, he's gonna have to come up with something better.

Reminds me of that movie "A Few Good Men" where Tom Cruise's first client was about to be charged for smoking a dime bag of oregano.

Prosecutor: Your client thought it was marijuana.
Cruise: My client's a moron, that's not against the law.

That's pretty much what this amounts to.

Right. If they can prove that money changed hands, then that is proof that it was NOT a pay to injure program. Since no one was injured, and if money was paid out, it could not have been a pay for injure program. The money had to be paid out for something else.
Pay for performance is commonplace and NO team can deny that they had such a program.

[jerryrip]

Originally Posted by BlackNGoldblood

Goodell has said he has evidence of money changing hands due to a pay to injure program.

I bet he's actually got evidence of a "pay-for-performance" program, not a "pay-for-injury" program. Every other team in the league has that. The whole thing is gaw-bage, as Bobby Hebert says..

[DMaestro]

Originally Posted by GTSaint

Right. If they can prove that money changed hands, then that is proof that it was NOT a pay to injure program. Since no one was injured, and if money was paid out, it could not have been a pay for injure program. The money had to be paid out for something else.
Pay for performance is commonplace and NO team can deny that they had such a program.

When this whole thing first broke, I was admittedly dismayed. To hear Goodell tell it, the league had uncovered reams of emails, detailed manifestos, spreadsheets indicating payment tiers for bounty hits, instructional videos on crippling/maiming (complete with diagrams of human anatomy and pressure points), etc.

Now it's looking more and more like their "evidence" consists solely of interviews with disgruntled ex-employees, joke e-mails from felons, and doctored statements coerced from a career NFL journeyman who ain't even on the team anymore.

Ridiculous.

[BlackNGoldblood]

Originally Posted by DMaestro

When this whole thing first broke, I was admittedly dismayed. To hear Goodell tell it, the league had uncovered reams of emails, detailed manifestos, spreadsheets indicating payment tiers for bounty hits, instructional videos on crippling/maiming (complete with diagrams of human anatomy and pressure points), etc.

Now it's looking more and more like their "evidence" consists solely of interviews with disgruntled ex-employees, joke e-mails from felons, and doctored statements coerced from a career NFL journeyman who ain't even on the team anymore.

Ridiculous.

Very funny, but also could be very true.

[meezy0236]

If Goodell does provide evidence for a so called pay to injure program, then he would have to show the exact hit that facilitated the payout. As we all know by now, he will be hard pressed to produce such a visual aid.

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by DMaestro

When this whole thing first broke, I was admittedly dismayed. To hear Goodell tell it, the league had uncovered reams of emails, detailed manifestos, spreadsheets indicating payment tiers for bounty hits, instructional videos on crippling/maiming (complete with diagrams of human anatomy and pressure points), etc.

Now it's looking more and more like their "evidence" consists solely of interviews with disgruntled ex-employees, joke e-mails from felons, and doctored statements coerced from a career NFL journeyman who ain't even on the team anymore.

Ridiculous.

Yup. It certainly appears that this is what happened.