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Old 05-02-2012, 04:33 PM   #46
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The bounty investigator decided to jump ship at the right time. He felt awful about what Goodell has done with his "evidence."
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Difference being The police look at and present evidence about said crimes
And they share that evidence with the public too right?
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Nobody is saying there was not a money pool. The argument the Saints are all making is a matter of RHETORIC. Very important verbiage that is not accurately portraying the situation.

BIG DIFFERENCE:

Bounty vs. Player Pool

Bounty = Money to injure. This is the media's buzz word that is making the understanding of the situation worse. This is the basis of the NFL and Media's argument.

Player Pool = Money to make big defensive plays. INTENT TO INJURE IS NOT IN THIS EQUATION. This is the basis of all Saints' arguments.

Why can't the public and NFL understand this very important point??

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What benefit would there be for the NFL to publicize evidence against Vilma?
That's easy to answer. It's to make appear that the players are responsible for all upcoming concussion related lawsuits. This has been stated many times over by many people. They need a scapegoat and Jonathan Vilma is there man. Only, he's not going along.
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I don't know the answers to your questions. I'm just rebutting the "There's no evidence" rhetoric. Of course there is evidence or else there would be no reason to accuse him of anything. Whether it's strong or not is another story.

How do you know this? Have you seen the evidence? Could you share with us what you know? Link?
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Nobody is saying there was not a money pool. The argument the Saints are all making is a matter of RHETORIC. Very important verbiage that is not accurately portraying the situation.

BIG DIFFERENCE:

Bounty vs. Player Pool

Bounty = Money to injure. This is the media's buzz word that is making the understanding of the situation worse. This is the basis of the NFL and Media's argument.

Player Pool = Money to make big defensive plays. INTENT TO INJURE IS NOT IN THIS EQUATION. This is the basis of all Saints' arguments.

Why can't the public and NFL understand this very important point??

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EXACTALLY! Isn't that how the NFL justify not punishing the Packers in 07 for the same thing? Because they said their was for performance and Saints for Bounty. Yet, Petterson was carted off and missed 2 games under a performance based incentive and how many were carted off and missed games under the Bounty? Both teams broke the SAME rule. Lying or being honest doesn't change it after the fact. One team is punished with the harshest punishments in league history, one team got away with nothing.
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How do you know this? Have you seen the evidence? Could you share with us what you know? Link?
Well for one, Gregg Williams said that a pay-for-performance system was in place and that the coaching staff was complicit. That's a pretty big hunkin piece of evidence right there.

As for Bounty vs pay-for-performance, I'm really not a big advocate of trying to differentiate the two. If you're going to do one you're pretty likely to do the other. It's like a gateway effect.
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Dude, if he hadn't read that state,ent (re-prepared by the NFL) he would have never worked for the league again.

See how easy it is to float BS with -zero- proof?



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Well for one, Gregg Williams said that a pay-for-performance system was in place and that the coaching staff was complicit. That's a pretty big hunkin piece of evidence right there.
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If he says he didn't do it they call him a lair because he praticipated in the "pay for performance" pools but if he says he did it they demonize him and say look "he admits to a pay for injury" program. Vilma can't answer anything without his words being twisted. Heck almost every opposing fan thinks our coaches admitted to a "pay for injury" program when that is absolutely false. Propaganda has unfairly shaped public perception and Vilma isn't going to play into the NFL's spin.
Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Well for one, Gregg Williams said that a pay-for-performance system was in place and that the coaching staff was complicit. That's a pretty big hunkin piece of evidence right there.

As for Bounty vs pay-for-performance, I'm really not a big advocate of trying to differentiate the two. If you're going to do one you're pretty likely to do the other. It's like a gateway effect.
Doesn't it strike you funny that all the confessions and evidence they have regarding this and the whole wire tape issue comes from EX players and coaches who were essentially fired? So just play along a second. Williams, upset he is let go by the Saints, says " Hey, I had it going and they all agreed and followed". NO ONE can back up his claim, but it's taken as truthful at face value??? Really?
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Doesn't it strike you funny that all the confessions and evidence they have regarding this and the whole wire tape issue comes from EX players and coaches who were essentially fired? So just play along a second. Williams, upset he is let go by the Saints, says " Hey, I had it going and they all agreed and followed". NO ONE can back up his claim, but it's taken as truthful at face value??? Really?
So he's going to eighty-six his own career out of spite?
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Well for one, Gregg Williams said that a pay-for-performance system was in place and that the coaching staff was complicit. That's a pretty big hunkin piece of evidence right there.
Exactly, those are the key words "PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE" not "BOUNTIES", that is a huge difference. They have all agreed to that, and it's old news, but no where has anyone of the people who's been suspeneded admitted to a paying to intetionally injuring other players.
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