N/S News - Hornets Fire Byron Scott - Page 6

nicks65 · 11-12-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deuuuuce

Ill bet you anything the GM is under heavy fire right now and this is his last chance to blame someone else for all of his mistakes. If he really wants to prove that he brought in the right players, this is his chance. Usually when the GM pulls this move it doesn't end very well.

yeah i heard today Bower has been with the team 14 years, and that his job may come under fire..

I think he did have some good plans, and i thought a lot of his moves were good at the time. They just haven't worked out. I mean look at the depth of our bench.

Eman5805 · 11-12-2009, 05:51 PM

This clearly isn't some spur of the moment deal. Otherwise Floyd wouldn't have been already lined up to be an assistant coach. They've been working this move out for a while.

I wonder what CP3's really thinking right now. A lot of people are playing the "CP3 wants out card" which is so irritating since there's not a shred of evidence to suggest that aside from him saying he hates to lose.

JOElittleBIGhorn · 11-12-2009, 06:33 PM

I love that Byron is gone, but why now? Why not when we lost by 58(!) at home (!!) in the freaking playoffs (!!!!!!!)? What changed over about 10 games? Why would you not can him over the summer and give yourself a chance to hire a coach who maybe has coached a basketball team before? Or at least give your new coach a chance to go through the preseason as the head coach and have all of your players on the same page? Nobody is buying the fact that Bower will be head coach next year (if he is, then we're in serious trouble); he'll be as big a lame duck coach as you'll ever see this year.

Byron gone, replaced with Jeff freakin' Bower and Tim Floyd.

One step forward, 10 steps back.

eazzyduzzit · 11-12-2009, 06:55 PM

Impatient coach didnt give Smith anytime to develop, Bass, were not going to even mention what he was doin to Thorton and Collison. Good move creatin a new culture in New Orleans!!! Win first ask questions later.

Deuuuuce · 11-12-2009, 07:06 PM

"Accountability is key," team president Hugh Weber said. "I told Jeff 'the genie is out the bottle.' Nobody can say we didn't have the right players. Jeff has handpicked this team. We like the idea that Jeff will be held accountable for this team."

I couldnt help reading this without translating it as "Jeff, you're next"

andregurov · 11-12-2009, 08:43 PM

While CP is certainly able to fit into any system, I think shoehorning him into a Van Gundy halfcourt slog diminishes his ability to take over a game. It would certainly refocus the team defense concept - as we do have a legitimate shot blocker now - but would seriously ****** the opportunity to play attractive, flowing basketball.

Like it or not, teams take advantage of CP3's small frame by rubbing him off screens and picks to create penetration. The inability of the help defense to properly identify open men and rotate quickly is what is killing the Hornets right now. It seems that the defense has gotten passive and uncertain of their proper positioning. I don't know if that is all Byron Scott's fault, but many of these players have had several years in the system yet still make the same mistakes. Combine that with erratic substitution patterns (Mo Pete goes from starter ... to inactive, Devin Brown goes from inactive ... to starter) that make it pretty obvious that Scott didn't have an answer to the questions being posed, a history of driving players hard in practice (A.I. voice: "Practice? Practice?), and a track record of many years of being unable to develop young talent not named Chris Paul, and change must be made. I think Hugh got it right when he said what the concern was: accountability. For too long Scott had blamed his players - while not naming them directly - for what has seemed an overly complex defense and offense. He, I think, failed to grasp that HE had to make changes if the program wasn't working. Is that fair? Maybe not. But it is basketball, for better or worse.

And for those that jump all over Tim Floyd: the man is a solid coach. He has shown an ability to draw up creative plays (remember D-West's rookie year and a great out-of-bounds lob against the Pacers? West blew the lob, by the way) and teach team defense concepts that are followed by young players AND work. Is he Phil Jackson? No. But Floyd has never had a team with Kobe, Shaq, or Michael Jordan on it either. FWIW, he has just as many rings as a head coach as Byron Scott has: none. Floyd (and Bower) doesn't have to be a world-beater here: he just has to get the Hornets to play closer to their potential. If he can do that - something Scott hasn't for the last 50 games or so - we will be comfortably in the playoffs and making good noise.

endlessHIMdark · 11-12-2009, 08:54 PM

Should have happened in the offseason. That one ridiculous loss to the Nuggets was proof. The players quit on him that night. If your players quit on you in a playoff game at home, you shouldn't be coaching that team.

earl_con_queso504 · 11-12-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nicks65

Exactly this team is undersized and old. It doesn't make any sense for us to play a half court style of offense when we have guards and fowards who are at their best in the open floor.

a new coach wont be in place til next year,i doubt they still have the same undersize old guys u speak of it will be a total remodel job,expect chris paul to be the building block, david west on trading block,peja out, mo pete out, actually besides chris paul the only safe guys will be collison, marcus thorton,okafor and maybe julian wright

FFSaint · 11-13-2009, 12:46 AM

Starting line up should be Collison Thornton Paul West and Okafor. If we cant D up, why not put in all scorers?

West, can you please dunk the ball? Someone needs to light a fire in that dudes butt.

MSUSousaphone · 11-13-2009, 01:37 AM

To be fair, the Peja move was great at the time and he was a bad *** for us when we made that run two years ago. The mistake was signing such an old player to a long and expensive contract (but hey, this was back when NO ONE wanted to come to NOLA and everyone would still be complaining had we not got him).

Also, JR sucked ***** when we let him go and Andersen was released because he was a cocaine fiend.

strandedsaint · 11-13-2009, 02:10 AM

This is a very good move. a little late ....but still a good move......He doesn't like to develop good young talent.......He wants to manage not coach......I like the Tim Floyd move but Ultimately I'd be surprised if he became Head Coach....I'm thinking Avery Johnson as well........

Danchrism · 11-13-2009, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jkupps2415

TIM FLOYD!!! He got a bad wrap with us a few years ago, but he actually did a very good job. He just didn't gel with the ****** attitudes of Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn. Trust me, he is a great defensive coach and does well motivating his players. The Hornets worst problems: DEFENSE, EFFORT.

I like Floyd hire a lot. Everyone who says he is terrible is going off of his years in Chicago, where no one in the world could have possibly succeeded.

And Magloire.

I stopped reading the thread at this point, but yes. The message to Jeff Bower is obvious: You built this team, now succeed with it or you're next.

The problem is, he won't succeed with it. There are problems on the wings: The shooters (Peja/Peterson) have mostly lost their touch, the slashers (Wright/Brown/Posey) can't slash. The shooters can't defend and the slashers, with no range or driving skills, are essentially offensive liabilities (though they do well on defense).

The posts struggled to rebound, rotate, help defend, and block shots. I would remember three- to five-game stretches where Hilton Armstrong would have like 1 rebound. Diogu is probably our best backup post and he can't find the floor.

Our rookies under Scott are buried behind other players of varying talent. In other news, grass is green and the Saints are undefeated.

One thing I will say about Floyd is this: In timeouts, he's going to adjust in-game strategies. He's not going to say "box out and spread the floor" and leave it at that, like Scott would. Scott rarely made situational adjustments.

This could be an audition for Floyd to re-take the coaching job here, or he could be here to make Bower's job less hellacious that it would be. My source, a team employee, tells me that it feels more like the second one, but stopped short of naming a possible long-term possibility. And since it's been mentioned, another source I have (serves in similar capacity to the first) told me pretty plainly that the players gave up on Scott in last season's huge playoff loss.

Eman5805 · 11-13-2009, 08:13 AM

Floyd knows the game of basketball. That's why he's excellent in college ball. If he can get his message across to our players, we won't be playing such stagnant ball.

Rod-138 · 11-13-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FFSaint

Starting line up should be Collison Thornton Paul West and Okafor. If we cant D up, why not put in all scorers?

West, can you please dunk the ball? Someone needs to light a fire in that dudes butt.

I see what you're saying, but I vote for a strong defensive starting unit -

Paul West Posey Oke Peja

2nd unit can be team kamakaze

Collison B. Brown Thornton Ju Armstrong - run the court like the Warriors and see what happens?

Puddinhead · 11-13-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FFSaint

Starting line up should be Collison Thornton Paul West and Okafor. If we cant D up, why not put in all scorers?

West, can you please dunk the ball? Someone needs to light a fire in that dudes butt.

I don't think you understand this team very well. West was the most vocal one about making the team better, he was just fed up with Scott not caring and having no game plan.

Also, I'm not sure if you are joking or not. But Collison Thornton and Paul would be beyond stupid. Thornton is small for a SG, and you want him to play SF? Collison is a small PG and you want him to play SG? That would be the smallest line up ever. And 2 players would have to be playing out of position.