My post wasn't really about being factual or not, more on it's relevance
But, that's the thing.
If the shooter of a black male has a history of violence (i.e. resisting arrest), or a history of harassing black families (as has been reported) then that history is relevant when he shoots an unarmed black male.
If an unarmed black male is shot, and the shooter says that the black male attacked him, then a story about a person who said they heard someone tell him that the black male attacked someone isn't relevant. Now, if there is a record that he actually did attack someone, then *that* could be relevant.
Man this thing keeps me going back and forth. I would hate to be on the jury of this trial. And there should be a trial. My question is if they take him to trial now, and lost, then they can't try him again right?
Correct. Not on the same or similar charges.
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He won't walk far, what with all of the violence being promised against him. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent - he's a marked man now.
There's a good old fashioned lynch mob brewing. And no one seems to be doing anything about it, either.
I don't know why this was voted down so much. It's true. There's a $10k bounty out on him, which only makes this situation more of a racially-charged mess.
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I feel horrible for Martin and his family with this issue. And imagine if Zimmerman really did have ZERO intention of harming or restraining him? a young mans life was taken by him, and he has to live with that the rest of his life just because of the cruddy situation that he was in. Then theres the family, possibly finding no closure to martins death due to his killer still walking freely whether it was pure innocence or pure guilt on zimmermans part.
"We don't need you to do that..." In reference to him following the kid.
"You want us to have them meet you at the mailboxes?"
"Yeah, that's fine. Actually, could you have them call me when they get here?"
He had every intention of following this kid.
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I don't know why this was voted down so much. It's true. There's a $10k bounty out on him, which only makes this situation more of a racially-charged mess.
It's not true.
Yes the New Black Panther Party put out a $10K bounty on the capture of Zimmerman. That is true -- a tiny virulently racist group of people put out a bounty.
But it's not true that "He won't walk far, what with all of the violence being promised against him. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent - he's a marked man now." That's opinion. Plus it's a hyperbolic statement is response to "walk free" being that as of now, Zimmerman still is not in custody which was the point that this was a reply to.
I mean, Casey Anthony had much more promised against her and she still "walks free."
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Shocking. It's as clear as day and I'm almost deaf.
How many times in your life have you sworn to know the lyrics to a song only to find out that you were wrong? You're gonna hear what you want to hear and there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise.
He say's "f-ing 'something' ". I'm not saying this to ruffle feathers or play devil's advocate. I'm keeping my emotions absent from the matter because I could care less what race Trayvon Martin was. That goes for George Zimmerman as well.
I'm about as white as it gets and I remember being stopped in my own neighborhood by these over-zealous wanna-be cop types. I knew I was only being harassed because I was a young guy with combat boots, ripped jeans and a baggy t-shirt.
I can remember countless times being pulled over just for being a teenager on a Friday night.
Yes the New Black Panther Party put out a $10K bounty on the capture of Zimmerman. That is true -- a tiny virulently racist group of people put out a bounty.
But it's not true that "He won't walk far, what with all of the violence being promised against him. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent - he's a marked man now." That's opinion. Plus it's a hyperbolic statement is response to "walk free" being that as of now, Zimmerman still is not in custody which was the point that this was a reply to.
I mean, Casey Anthony had much more promised against her and she still "walks free."
IMO race plays a role more because of the fact that an unarmed black teenager was gunned down, police know who shot him, and the shooter has not been charged. Its a feeling that the black life is unimportant.
Use of the phrase "gunned down" is noted. Wasn't there only a single shot fired?
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How many times in your life have you sworn to know the lyrics to a song only to find out that you were wrong? You're gonna hear what you want to hear and there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise.
He say's "f-ing 'something' ". I'm not saying this to ruffle feathers or play devil's advocate. I'm keeping my emotions absent from the matter because I could care less what race Trayvon Martin was. That goes for George Zimmerman as well.
I'm about as white as it gets and I remember being stopped in my own neighborhood by these over-zealous wanna-be cop types. I knew I was only being harassed because I was a young guy with combat boots, ripped jeans and a baggy t-shirt.
I can remember countless times being pulled over just for being a teenager on a Friday night.
If you can't hear that then I don't know what to tell you.
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No they are not. You're selectively taking parts out when I wasn't being selective in my quote.
I didn't say "he's a marked man now" is an opinion, I said his whole statement was opinion. If I say "I'll give $5,000 to anyone who punches Mike Florio in the mouth" is he now a marked man, or is my statement hyperbole? Is Mike Florio now no longer able to walk free? Would anyone actually punch Mike Florio in the mouth because of something I said, and would they expect to get paid?
I know that there is outrage against Zimmerman, and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes because of that -- it's scary. But he is still not in police custody, and that is what was being replied to.
Presidential candidates travel with security detail and have people who dislike them intensely and wish them ill, but are they not free because of that fact?
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No they are not. You're selectively taking parts out when I wasn't being selective in my quote.
I didn't say "he's a marked man now" is an opinion, I said his whole statement was opinion. If I say "I'll give $5,000 to anyone who punches Mike Florio in the mouth" is he now a marked man, or is my statement hyperbole? Is Mike Florio now no longer able to walk free? Would anyone actually punch Mike Florio in the mouth because of something I said, and would they expect to get paid?
I know that there is outrage against Zimmerman, and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes because of that -- it's scary. But he is still not in police custody, and that is what was being replied to.
Presidential candidates travel with security detail and have people who dislike them intensely and wish them ill, but are they not free because of that fact?
How is the Black Panther gang saying they put a bounty a hyperbole? I am really perplexed by your thoughts on this. If you think a real bounty in this situation isn't real, then you are oblivious to modern society.
How is the Black Panther gang saying they put a bounty a hyperbole? I am really perplexed by your thoughts on this. If you think a real bounty in this situation isn't real, then you are oblivious to modern society.
Well despite the "if you disagree with me, you're oblivious" shot (I guess I could say if you disagree with me, you have no sense of logic or rational thought, but that would be beneath civil discussion), yes I disagree with you.
So you honestly think that someone out there who wasn't inclined to do anything to Zimmerman would take a declaration by the New Black Panther Party (a hyperbolic organization if ever there was one; the equivalent of the KKK but much much less in number) that they would pay $10K to someone to capture Zimmerman, and then that person would actually 1) go and capture Zimmerman, and 2) really expect the NBPP to pay them the money, and 3) the NBPP would actually PAY it to that person?
Really?
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Well despite the "if you disagree with me, you're oblivious" shot (I guess I could say if you disagree with me, you have no sense of logic or rational thought, but that would be beneath civil discussion), yes I disagree with you.(*)
I find it intriguing that you can make a sanctimonious and contradictory statement like that. You've basically said you're above personal attacks while producing one in the same sentence.
New witness account. There is some discussion around the 3:30 mark in the video below about who was on top. The witness isn't certain because it was so dark but appears to be suggesting, that if pressed to say, believed it would have been Zimmerman...seeing the "larger man get off" and describing the victim still laying on the ground. The witness is clear in describing Zimmerman as appearing to be unhurt after the shooting, and gives a description that contradicts Zimmerman's brothers version:
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[Zimmerman's brother]: “George was out of breath. He was barely conscious. The last thing that he remembers doing is moving his head from the concrete to the grass, so that if he was banged one more time, he wouldn’t be wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon-fed by his brother.”
Also from that link, citing The New York Daily News:
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The New York Daily News reported Friday that Zimmerman was fired in 2005 from his job as a party security guard for being too aggressive, quoting a former anonymous co-worker as saying that “usually he was just a cool guy … But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”
The former co-worker also told the newspaper that Zimmerman “loved being in charge… loved the power” and could become violent.
The witness also believe the struggle took place in the grass. Also, claims to have been watching when he heard the shot.
But the man, who by now had left the grass and was walking on the sidewalk, did seem worried, "with his hand up to his forehead," the witness said. "Now, a couple of seconds later, in the dark, you see that person that's alive walk away; you know, obviously, OK, he must've got up and he walked away, where the other person is still laying there, face down."
The person who was walking away did not appear hurt, said the witness, who has told police of the incident. "You're thinking, wow, I'm looking at the person that just shot someone," the witness said.
There was a previous witness account of seeing Zimmerman on top of Martin after the shooting, appearing to be holding him down. (one of the first witness to step forward). The timing in the incident of their respective accounts becomes an issue but did Zimmerman get up, walk around, go back and lay on top of Martin, holding him down, or was he on top at the time of the shooting? And if he was so badly hurt, and on the verge of unconsciousness, might it seem more likely that he didn't get up right away, and didn't get on top of Martin, unless that was his position at the time of the shooting?
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A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
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