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Old 02-26-2012, 09:12 AM   #31
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Guys, I consider myself not bigoted but I wanted to share something that happened, real-world scenario. How would you feel if you had a five or six year old girl that had been molested by ANOTHER FIVE YEAR OLD GIRL? Whose "parents" just happened to be two lesbians? This incident just happened at a local school, on numerous occasions before they found out. That's right, a kindergarten girl pulling undies down in the bathroom and going to town on other little girls. Homosexual couples are going to have to raise the bar if they want any respect from the establishment, just like racial minorities had to. They are going to have to be BETTER not worse than the norm to overcome the bias. Stuff like this just sets things back.
How about a link to this story? I'd like to read the real account of what happened. Your version sounds somewhat fictional.

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I don't know if this question has ever been posed but I figured this might be the best thread to do it in. What if the government removed all benefits that come with being married? What if there were no benefit to being married other than being with the person you love in committed relationship? Would there be such a fight from the "anti" side to prohibit same sex marriage? Would there be such a fight from the "pro" side to make same sex marriage legal? Would there even be a discussion on protecting marriage? Thoughts?
It would absolutely be legal. I'd be performing ceremonies left and right.

What these bigots fail to understand is that freedom of religion goes for *everyone*. In my ministry, gays can be united in a wedlock every bit as legally 'holy' as if the Pope himself had done the job.

They're fighting a purely secular battle on purely religious grounds. At the end of the day, they can gussie it up all they want, they're just bigots who want to feel smug and superior that "those people" can't be legally wed even in *my* church.
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It would absolutely be legal. I'd be performing ceremonies left and right.

What these bigots fail to understand is that freedom of religion goes for *everyone*. In my ministry, gays can be united in a wedlock every bit as legally 'holy' as if the Pope himself had done the job.

They're fighting a purely secular battle on purely religious grounds. At the end of the day, they can gussie it up all they want, they're just bigots who want to feel smug and superior that "those people" can't be legally wed even in *my* church.
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Clearly you think straight marriage is ok and homosexual marriage as well. Obviously you're not utilizing pro-creation as your defining standard either. How about marriage to multiple people? 1, 2, 5, 10, 1000000000? How many people can you be married too? Can you marry a toaster and list that as a dependent on your taxes? Can you marry a dog? (There are people that want too.) Can you marry a 10 year old? The desires of mankind are endless, so what criteria do you use to define what's acceptable and what's not?
ahh yes, the old "marrying dogs" argument
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What if the government removed all benefits that come with being married? What if there were no benefit to being married other than being with the person you love in committed relationship? Would there be such a fight from the "anti" side to prohibit same sex marriage? Would there be such a fight from the "pro" side to make same sex marriage legal? Would there even be a discussion on protecting marriage? Thoughts?
Well what you're describing is where there is no marriage. What would be the point then?

I mean if all the laws/regulations were removed about marriage, then gay marriage wouldn't be illegal therefore it would be a moot point.

If the only thing about a marriage was that the government made gay marriage illegal and hetero marriage legal, there should be a fight because government sponsored discrimination should be opposed.
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Does it REALLY matter if you can or cant? The world's already screwed up, so I don't see how it would benefit the world whichever way it went. Gay marriage does NOT increase unstability among things any worse than they are now.
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ahh yes, the old "marrying dogs" argument
It's already happening in one of those looney liberal European countries. We must not allow this to happen here. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Nip this thing in the bud. Slippery slope indeed.

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It's already happening in one of those looney liberal European countries. We must not allow this to happen here. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Nip this thing in the bud. Slippery slope indeed.

So if you marry youre dog, can you technically marry a woman or a gay person too? Or are they now allowing beastiality as consensual as long as you are married?
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A 5 year old qualifies.
Your initial post alluded to two 5 year old girls having sex together in a bathroom and further implied this happened because of their lesbian parents. What if it were a 5 year old boy and 5 y/o girl from heterosexual families? Still the fault of the parents?

I'm sure we can agree there is something wrong with each scenario and can find fault with parenting in each case. That said I can find no correlation between the sexual orientation of the parents and the behavior of the kids.
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Your ministry , now thats a good one. LOL! Reminds me of the time Fred Sanford started a church to get a tax deduction.
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Your ministry , now thats a good one. LOL! Reminds me of the time Fred Sanford started a church to get a tax deduction.
Juts as legitimate as any other minister ever ordained.
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Your initial post alluded to two 5 year old girls having sex together in a bathroom and further implied this happened because of their lesbian parents. What if it were a 5 year old boy and 5 y/o girl from heterosexual families? Still the fault of the parents?

I'm sure we can agree there is something wrong with each scenario and can find fault with parenting in each case. That said I can find no correlation between the sexual orientation of the parents and the behavior of the kids.
I hesitate to reply to this due to the rabid dog pile attitude here. You guys are really barking up the wrong tree, as I have stated I do not care one iota about gay marriage, have at it. But now apparently we need adults in the little girls room monitoring? They weren't having sex, one girl was forcing herself on the others, in other words exploiting innocents or rape if you will. Five year olds, whatever they have, do not have "sex" as it's described in my dictionary. Yes you are correct , it would be just as wrong if it was male on female but in most cases there is no opportunity for this, or at least that's what I would like to believe in a kindergarten. I guess it's more a commentary on the sad state of parenting in our society in general if you prefer to think of it that way.
And yes this is a newer issue that we are being confronted with as it has not been an issue at the school before. This really has no context in the gay marriage discussion so I will not be revisiting this topic but wanted to clarify, peace out.
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