Beyonce Possessed by Evils Spirits?

[Brennan77]

Originally Posted by XXXtraAnchovies

ha, and you made fun of me for watching professional wrestling

No, I didn't.

[Brennan77]

Originally Posted by GhostFace

No it doesn't. Jay-Z named Rockafella records after Rockefeller because it symbolized money and was a bad pun.

The symbol is from our money, once again symbolizing money.

The internet started the illuminatti rumors (because of the symbol) so Jay-Z and the rest ran with the free press.

It is a boring story.

Well that's a reasonable take I suppose. Though I'm not sure a mimicking of monetary symbols explains some of the extent to which we have seen. Look, I'm not claiming any sort of conspiracy or secret society or whatever. I just think it is interesting that some of these artists have aligned themselves with those ideas and images.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by Brennan77

I didn't watch the YouTube video, I will admit. But check out some of the music videos by kanye west. I find it interesting that they have decided to use this sort of imagery.

Do you know how a black dude can convince a bunch of corn-fed, midwestern white folks to listen to crummy music?

Any idea how to make some backwoods Alabama redneck talk about Beyonce?

You want to know how to market black things to white folks?


Slap a pentagram on it and dress it in black leather.

SOLD!

[Brennan77]

Originally Posted by dtc

Do you know how a black dude can convince a bunch of corn-fed, midwestern white folks to listen to crummy music?

Any idea how to make some backwoods Alabama redneck talk about Beyonce?

You want to know how to market black things to white folks?


Slap a pentagram on it and dress it in black leather.

SOLD!

How does that help sell to white people? Maybe it does. I guess I'm not the target audience. Just curious as to why.

[GhostFace]

The African-American and hip hop community has been obsessed with illuminati conspiracy theories for decades. It's rooted in NYC and the strong presence the Black Isrealites and other paranoia groups have in certain neighborhoods.

Once the Internet hit these communities, it exploded. Jay-Z grew up with these guys on every corner.

Google the rapper Prodigy from Mobb Deep. He has been talking this nonsense for 20 years.

It isn't about enticing white people as much as a general trolling of society.

Conspiracy theories came out claiming Jay-Z is one of the most powerful people in the world due to his high ranking in the Illuminatti.
Given that boasting is the very root of hip hop and powerful figures have always been adopted by hip hop artists as alter egos, why wouldn't Jay-Z run with it?

[OhioSaintsFan]

I thought satan only supported heavy metal.

[staphory]

Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume that Beyonce and Jay-Z really are Satanists.
So what?
What difference would it make?
Those who are entertained by them will continue to buy their music.
Those who aren't entertained by them will continue to ignore them.
Now what?

[dtc]

Originally Posted by Brennan77

How does that help sell to white people? Maybe it does. I guess I'm not the target audience. Just curious as to why.

Same as Black Sabbath, Kiss or Slayer.

Only modernized for hip hop sales.

[redlandssaintsson]

OP, you don't think it's highly more likely that she has no idea what those symbols mean?

[V Chip]

Originally Posted by Brennan77

t certainly is worth noting that for whatever reason Beyonce and other contemporaries have decided to use satanic imagery and symbolism. And it isn't in the tongue in cheek style of acdc or ozzy.

Good clean Christians, right?


The video was laughable. Stop trying to make it serious.

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by redlandssaintsson

OP, you don't think it's highly more likely that she has no idea what those symbols mean?

Not a chance. I explained why.

Prodigy says that Jay grew up grew up in Dr. York’s “Nuwabian” community in Brooklyn as a kid, and is “aware” of these evils — rogue government, elitists running the country, etc

Nuwaubian Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Prodigy Says Jay-Z Sides With The


Jay-Z Addresses Illuminati Accusers, Says They Can

[Sun Wukong]

Originally Posted by GhostFace

Not a chance. I explained why.





Nuwaubian Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Prodigy Says Jay-Z Sides With The


Jay-Z Addresses Illuminati Accusers, Says They Can

I'd argue that you can still say they have no idea what they actually mean. Just because a bunch of occult symbols has been appropriated by whacko groups doesn't mean they actually know who or what Baphomet is supposed to be in classical demonology or the actual history behind the Eye of Horus. Because most of the people that talk about this stuff are talking out of their *** ahd have ascribed meanings/associations to them that have no historical basis.

[mister pc]

Originally Posted by GhostFace

The African-American and hip hop community has been obsessed with illuminati conspiracy theories for decades. It's rooted in NYC and the strong presence the Black Isrealites and other paranoia groups have in certain neighborhoods.

Once the Internet hit these communities, it exploded. Jay-Z grew up with these guys on every corner.

Google the rapper Prodigy from Mobb Deep. He has been talking this nonsense for 20 years.

It isn't about enticing white people as much as a general trolling of society.

Conspiracy theories came out claiming Jay-Z is one of the most powerful people in the world due to his high ranking in the Illuminatti.
Given that boasting is the very root of hip hop and powerful figures have always been adopted by hip hop artists as alter egos, why wouldn't Jay-Z run with it?

Good post.. Ill also add that for better or worse the hunger for power and influence is firmly ingrained into hip hop, the genre is mired in ego infatuation. Projecting the image of someone who pulls the strings is a major part of what they do, and they use scarface/godfather mafia imagery for the same reasons as illuminati imagery, because it has the connotation of a powerful elite group that "calls the shots" for the world. And the eye of Horus is on our money (for those that didn't know, most rappers have obsession with $). A demonic explanation for this phenomenon is very far fetched, religious zealots being the only people who would find it a credible theory.

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by Sun Wukong

I'd argue that you can still say they have no idea what they actually mean. Just because a bunch of occult symbols has been appropriated by whacko groups doesn't mean they actually know who or what Baphomet is supposed to be in classical demonology or the actual history behind the Eye of Horus. Because most of the people that talk about this stuff are talking out of their *** ahd have ascribed meanings/associations to them that have no historical basis.

I agree with that possibility. I was saying that after the initial conspiracy theories surfaced, Jay-Z and the Roca family ran with the hype.

This is a really big deal in the hip hop community. Some of the guys I work with talk about it all day.

I think Jay-Z, Beyonce and their team intentionally fuel the fire. I don't think it is an accident that these symbols are more present now than earlier in their careers.

Most people, simply by engaging in culture, know that an elongated goat head represents something eerie.

I assume a stylist approached Beyonce and framed it as " you know, playing on all the illuminati hoopla" and its simply an exploitable avenue for those involved.

[Brennan77]

Originally Posted by V Chip

Good clean Christians, right?


The video was laughable. Stop trying to make it serious.

I'm not trying to make the video serious, for Pete's sake. I still haven't watched it because I thought I was trying to pull this into an actual thought. Perhaps I'm not expressing myself clearly.

I'm not saying Beyonce or any hip hop artist is Satanic. I'm not saying Black Sabbath or Ozzy was Christian. (randy rhoads ftw) I'm saying that at no point as a fan of a band like that did I take them very seriously. (Spinal Tap and all that)

I'm not a fan of hip hop for the most part and I don't follow its biggest stars. But it's pretty clear from what I have seen that someone like Kanye West is 1. an idiot and 2. takes himself seriously. I just find it interesting that someone like that uses such imagery. I've never associated that genre with occult type pop culture. Heavy Metal? Sure. Candy coated hip hop? Not so much.

I find GhostFace's posts in this thread quite fascinating. Thank you.

Is it not interesting at all? Really?


That's all I'm saying and the straw man that so many in this thread have used to put me in my place is one of the reasons SR is not as good as it could be. Why do people insist on categorizing every last thing into opposing sides from which to argue? Have I really posted anything here that would suggest I'm buying into some grand illuminati conspiracy orchestrated by Jay-Z? I don't think I have. Yet so many are incapable of seeing anything but opposing extremes that a simple discussion cannot be tolerated. Disappointing.