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Old 07-15-2012, 02:17 PM   #1
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Indiana police say 3-year-old fatally shot father

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The 33-year-old Martinsville man was found dead Friday night in a Salem home by Washington County sheriff's deputies called to the scene.

State police say the man, his wife, their three children and a juvenile relative were at the home about 25 miles northwest of Louisville, Ky., doing remodeling work.

Detectives say it appears the man and two of his children were watching a television program in the home when the 3-year-old boy found a loaded handgun in the residence and it accidentally discharged, fatally wounding the child's father. No one else was injured.

Read more: Indiana police say 3-year-old fatally shot father | Fox News
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Seriously, just keep the guns locked up somewhere if you have children around.
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Seriously, just keep the guns locked up somewhere if you have children around.
This. A million times this. It's not that difficult.
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This. A million times this. It's not that difficult.
But then how will they save themselves when they need to quick draw it and gun down that entire gang who broke into their house?


I find many people who own guns and refuse to lock them instead of leaving them loaded around various places around the house have this fantasy of being the hero and gunning down some thief in their house.
It's also generally the same people who ***** when a thief isn't killed when he was shot. A good example would be that thread last month when the teen defended his family and there was those Internet tough guys going on about how the kid needed to learn to aim better so that he killed the guy instead.


Basically it's people who picture themselves being Rambo and not being one of the many responsible gun owners. They are they people that give anti-gun advocates so many juicy stories when they go on their crusade trying to get guns outlawed.
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Horrible story. I hope the child will be ok..
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But then how will they save themselves when they need to quick draw it and gun down that entire gang who broke into their house?


I find many people who own guns and refuse to lock them instead of leaving them loaded around various places around the house have this fantasy of being the hero and gunning down some thief in their house.
It's also generally the same people who ***** when a thief isn't killed when he was shot. A good example would be that thread last month when the teen defended his family and there was those Internet tough guys going on about how the kid needed to learn to aim better so that he killed the guy instead.


Basically it's people who picture themselves being Rambo and not being one of the many responsible gun owners. They are they people that give anti-gun advocates so many juicy stories when they go on their crusade trying to get guns outlawed.
I keep a pistol locked and loaded in my bedroom and in the living room. I'm glad you think I want to be Rambo. Though in reality it is because I have been the victim of violent crime more than once. It WILL NOT happen again in my home.
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Be ready for the worst, hope for the best. Imagine being trained to defend yourself but leaving the tools you need and having to watch horrible things happen to your family.
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I keep a pistol locked and loaded in my bedroom and in the living room. I'm glad you think I want to be Rambo. Though in reality it is because I have been the victim of violent crime more than once. It WILL NOT happen again in my home.


Yes, I do think you have dreams of being rambo by keeping loaded, unlocked guns at random places around your home.

I hope you don't have children of your own or children over. Because no matter how often it might be drilled into their heads not to do something stupid with a gun, it only takes one tiny mistake to forever change the life of your family.

Frankly there is zero reason to keep loaded and unlocked guns around.
There are gun lock boxes that allow extremely quick access to your handgun (I'm talking about seconds) without exposing your family to the unneeded risk of firearms.

If you take basic precautions in protecting your home, you'll have plenty of time to unlock your gun and protect yourself if needed. That includes investing in a door that doesn't break open with a love tap and protecting easy to access windows with either bars or prickly bushes.

I use Amazon.com: GunVault MV 1000 MicroVault XL Handgun Safe: Home Improvement

I can have it open and the gun ready to use in less then 15 seconds (I'm talking about it being in the usual spot on my shelves and me on my couch, not while its in my lap).

Do your family a favor and invest in their continued future. You wouldn't leave knifes around your house would you?
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I keep a pistol locked and loaded in my bedroom and in the living room. I'm glad you think I want to be Rambo. Though in reality it is because I have been the victim of violent crime more than once. It WILL NOT happen again in my home.
Locked and loaded? That's pretty dumb by any measure. It only takes a second to chamber a round. Silly to just leave it like that.
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Be ready for the worst, hope for the best. Imagine being trained to defend yourself but leaving the tools you need and having to watch horrible things happen to your family.
Any idea where we could see reliable statistics comparing numbers of incidents of criminals who are shot by homeowners vs people who are the victims of accidental shootings in the home?

I seem to hear more about accidental shootings (usually involving children) than I do successful home defense shootings but I'm not sure if statistics back that impression or not.
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Any idea where we could see reliable statistics comparing numbers of incidents of criminals who are shot by homeowners vs people who are the victims of accidental shootings in the home?

I seem to hear more about accidental shootings (usually involving children) than I do successful home defense shootings but I'm not sure if statistics back that impression or not.
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Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home. [J Trauma. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI


From the study linked:
"RESULTS: During the study interval (12 months in Memphis, 18 months in Seattle, and Galveston) 626 shootings occurred in or around a residence. This total included 54 unintentional shootings, 118 attempted or completed suicides, and 438 assaults/homicides. Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense, including three that involved law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty. For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

CONCLUSIONS: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."



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Any idea where we could see reliable statistics comparing numbers of incidents of criminals who are shot by homeowners vs people who are the victims of accidental shootings in the home?

I seem to hear more about accidental shootings (usually involving children) than I do successful home defense shootings but I'm not sure if statistics back that impression or not.
Just speculating, but "three year old accidentally kills Dad with loaded gun" makes for better press than "homeowner wards off thieves with .357 without having to fire a shot" or "Criminal leaves crime scene limping after being shot by homeowner defending his family"

All that being said, this guy was an idiot for leaving a loaded gun where a three year old could even think about getting at it....
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Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home. [J Trauma. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI


From the study linked:
"RESULTS: During the study interval (12 months in Memphis, 18 months in Seattle, and Galveston) 626 shootings occurred in or around a residence. This total included 54 unintentional shootings, 118 attempted or completed suicides, and 438 assaults/homicides. Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense, including three that involved law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty. For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

CONCLUSIONS: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."



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Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Unintentional Shootings
Thanks. That is consistent with data I've seen in the past.
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Just speculating, but "three year old accidentally kills Dad with loaded gun" makes for better press than "homeowner wards off thieves with .357 without having to fire a shot" or "Criminal leaves crime scene limping after being shot by homeowner defending his family"

All that being said, this guy was an idiot for leaving a loaded gun where a three year old could even think about getting at it....

Every time this discussion comes up, some one brings up the "Defended themselves without firing a shot" angle. Yet no study as been able to back that up with any percentages or facts.

Can anyone back up that statement? Is there really a rash of people defending themselves just by showing their gun or is that just something people think happens and keeps spreading it without any basis in reality?
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