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Old 03-04-2012, 10:10 PM   #61
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Oh, you people in Canada, with your special systems of measurement, expecting everyone else to understand both of them or at least the one that's easy and makes more sense than the other even to first graders

12 inches in a foot, three feet in a yard, 120 yards in a football field, and we measure the length of everything bigger than that in "football fields"

I don't understand why you can't all get with the program

You Canadians with all your ones and zeroes, pfft
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Don't know about that, but the time the U.S. built a functioning refinery in the U.S. was 1976!

That's ridiculous.
Apparently it's a myth, so nevermind
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Gas isn't going to hit $5 a gallon and if you guys are so sure it is then go dump your money in oil or gas futures like this article would like. Every time we start hearing these crazy high gas price predictions it usually means that oil is coming up on a short term high and Wall St. is looking for investors to put money into oil so they can get out before it starts going back down.
5 weeks after this article, gas hit a short term high and prices began to fall. A little more than 3 months later I find myself filling up at $2.99 a gallon.

So after doing some research on the writer that wrote the article linked in the first post found some interesting stuff.

Paul Ausick is the senior writer for Hoffman Marketing Communications. Hoffman specializes in marketing by the use of commercial white papers. A commercial white paper is an advertisement that is written with the intent of pushing a theme or agenda without the reader knowing. It is an advertisement written in disquise as an article.

So lets say a investment firm has a large amount of oil they are wanting to sell. They (and a few other firms) go to Hoffman and other similar marketers and hire them to write these "white papers" with the sole intention of trying to get more people investing in oil. They then write "articles" talking about how gas is going to surely hit $5+ a gallon. People think they are reading a news article and think the article makes some good points and go out and invest money in oil. At first the price of oil begins to go up. This was the goal all along with the investment firm. They have propped the price of their investment up and then begin to dump their holdings back on to the market for a nice profit. Because of this, oil begins to drop since there is more volume towards selling than buying and the reader that invested the money in oil and realized early small profits is left holding the bill as oil plummets back down.

Obviously there are other factors at work, particularly in oil but it is where the these "oil speculators" are doing something wrong IMO. Of course nobody is mad at them when they are driving the prices back down so they can get back in cheap and start the process over.
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5 weeks after this article, gas hit a short term high and prices began to fall. A little more than 3 months later I find myself filling up at $2.99 a gallon.

So after doing some researcher on the writer that wrote the article linked in the first post found some interesting stuff.

Paul Ausick is the senior writer for Hoffman Marketing Communications. Hoffman specializes in marketing by the use of commercial white papers. A commercial white paper is an advertisement that is written with the intent of pushing a theme or agenda without the reader knowing. It is an advertisement written in disquise as an article.

So lets say a investment firm has a large amount of oil they are wanting to sell. They (and a few other firms) go to Hoffman and other similar marketers and hire them to write these "white papers" with the sole intention of trying to get more people investing in oil. They then write "articles" talking about how gas is going to surely hit $5+ a gallon. People think they are reading a news article and think the article makes some good points and go out and invest money in oil. At first the price of oil begins to go up. This was the goal all along with the investment firm. They have propped the price of their investment up and then begin to dump their holdings back on to the market for a nice profit. Because of this, oil begins to drop since there is more volume towards selling than buying and the reader that invested the money in oil and realized early small profits is left holding the bill as oil plummets back down.

Obviously there are other factors at work, particularly in oil but it is where the these "oil speculators" are doing something wrong IMO. Of course nobody is mad at them when they are driving the prices back down so they can get back in cheap and start the process over.
Very interesting. Thanks for writing all of that out.
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5 weeks after this article, gas hit a short term high and prices began to fall. A little more than 3 months later I find myself filling up at $2.99 a gallon.

So after doing some research on the writer that wrote the article linked in the first post found some interesting stuff.

Paul Ausick is the senior writer for Hoffman Marketing Communications. Hoffman specializes in marketing by the use of commercial white papers. A commercial white paper is an advertisement that is written with the intent of pushing a theme or agenda without the reader knowing. It is an advertisement written in disquise as an article.

So lets say a investment firm has a large amount of oil they are wanting to sell. They (and a few other firms) go to Hoffman and other similar marketers and hire them to write these "white papers" with the sole intention of trying to get more people investing in oil. They then write "articles" talking about how gas is going to surely hit $5+ a gallon. People think they are reading a news article and think the article makes some good points and go out and invest money in oil. At first the price of oil begins to go up. This was the goal all along with the investment firm. They have propped the price of their investment up and then begin to dump their holdings back on to the market for a nice profit. Because of this, oil begins to drop since there is more volume towards selling than buying and the reader that invested the money in oil and realized early small profits is left holding the bill as oil plummets back down.

Obviously there are other factors at work, particularly in oil but it is where the these "oil speculators" are doing something wrong IMO. Of course nobody is mad at them when they are driving the prices back down so they can get back in cheap and start the process over.
Which is why I think they should be drug out the back door and shot.
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Apparently it's a myth, so nevermind
Now that is one eye-opening article. Thanks for the link!
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i can't wait for a time, hopefully only a few yrs away, when there are a plethora of hybrid and electric vehicles to choose from that are decent and affordable.


before someone feels the need to point out to me that we will never be completely 'off' of oil in our lifetime-- i am aware of that, and i agree.. but i will still enjoy the hell out of my 50-100mpg/range vehicle.
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Nah. I just bought my Camaro SS two weeks ago and the fun factor is well worth the price of gas.
This! It can go up to 10$ a gallon. I might drive my camaro less, but i'll still guzzle and burn it. My suggestion is to learn and invest in oil futures. They trying to bring the country like europe with the nation using small eco friendly vehicles. But I can assure you, if we all went green and bought little go carts, gas would still be the same price. They have to keep making billions in profit right? And if everyone went to electric? Theyll raise the price of electricity since itd become a fuel. Its not inflation, its profit. So do all you want to try and save gas, but prices will steadily climb. We'll have a a couple times where theres a drop in the market, but energy will ALWAYS rise.
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Gas looks to have settled at $3.29 here for the past few weeks.


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Gas prices dropping? Must be an election coming up, or was that only for Bush?
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I have always wanted to invest in oil. Anyone know how to get into the futures game?
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I have always wanted to invest in oil. Anyone know how to get into the futures game?
Im still uncertain on a few things investing in it. I have in April 09 and made 40% of my investment in 2 weeks when oil only jumped up 10$ a barrel. Basically its like betting. You speculate whether itll go up or down in a given amount of time that you decide. If you speculate it to go up, and it drops below what you paid, sometimes they require you to invest more money since youve lost some of it. Now there is also hedging where you buy it at a locked price and whether it goes up or down youre safe seling it but Im still unfamiliar with hedging. I could careless about it really? Whats the point? If youre going to hedge a bet so as to not lose your investment, IMO, you shouldnt invest because without risk, there's no reward. Now I used Ed Jones to do my investment but theyre long term. Im not looking for that with futures. So he was trying to hurry it up because he doesnt like day trading which is what youre doing. You can make money day trading. You wont get rich, but you can make money on it. Id find a good fincancial advisor, tell him what you want to do. give him some money let him make you money. If he wants to sell, and you feel its not time. tell him no. I couldve made quite a bit of money on my investment had I stuck with my gut and not sold when he wanted to sell. Commodity futures is where its at. Now I know you can go from 1 month 2 at least 2 yrs, my thing is can I go 10 yrs? Because the way I see it, commodities can only go up unless a world wide economical failurew happens which is highly unlikely. Meat, veggies, wood, metall can only go up right? I mean yea itll go down a bit but in the long run with inflation it HAS to go up so basically you cant really lose.
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