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Old 03-17-2009, 03:20 PM   #61
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Just out of curiosity, what build are you? I would guess that you have a smaller frame to be able to run that kind of distance. I don't think Forrest Gump ran that far.
I'm curious as to what build all you other runners are? I'm 5'10" 185lbs. with still mostly muscle/weightlifter body. I'm usually in the Clydesdale division of most races

When I pulled off the 315bench/10 mile race, I was 195 and about 7-8% body fat, so I've never been the lean, lanky kind of runner
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Just out of curiosity, what build are you? I would guess that you have a smaller frame to be able to run that kind of distance. ....
5'10" between 160-165 lbs, the weight has crept up over the past 10 years, for a long time was in the high 140/low 150 range, what most track people would call a middle distance (miler, 5k) build.

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From a coaching perspective, what do you think my ideal training/jogging speed should be? I am 6' 0", 182 lbs. I assume there has to be some kind of speed I am supposed to be running. I can do a 1/2 marathon right now walking, but that isn't really running a race to me. I ran 6.5 mph last weekend and only lasted a little over 3 miles. Mind you, I have only been running for a month. I was very athletic in highschool playing tennis until I was a Sophomore in college, I just have let the booze and women get the best of me. Now that I am married with children, I no longer have those temptations.......yeah right.
For someone just starting out, my recommendation is to maintain a pace where you don't have to start walking part-way through your run (i.e., you can finish the entire run at a given pace without walking). Gradually build up your distance over a period of several months. 6 1/2 miles seems like a pretty significant run for someone who has been running for only a month. For someone just starting, I'd suggest 2 to 4 miles, 3 to 4 times a week initially. Do that more a month or so. Monitor yourself for little aches and pains that can turn into bigger problems (shin splints are usually the main issue with "new" runners). Make sure you stretch after your runs. Run at a "conversational" pace (a pace where you literally could hold a converation with someone while you are running, and not be gasping for breath). It may seem slow, but the idea is to build up your aerobic base. It probably sounds corny, but the main thing is, make it fun and not work. Too many people turn it into a chore. Hope this helps some.
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5'10" between 160-165 lbs, the weight has crept up over the past 10 years, for a long time was in the high 140/low 150 range, what most track people would call a middle distance (miler, 5k) build.



For someone just starting out, my recommendation is to maintain a pace where you don't have to start walking part-way through your run (i.e., you can finish the entire run at a given pace without walking). Gradually build up your distance over a period of several months. 6 1/2 miles seems like a pretty significant run for someone who has been running for only a month. For someone just starting, I'd suggest 2 to 4 miles, 3 to 4 times a week initially. Do that more a month or so. Monitor yourself for little aches and pains that can turn into bigger problems (shin splints are usually the main issue with "new" runners). Make sure you stretch after your runs. Run at a "conversational" pace (a pace where you literally could hold a converation with someone while you are running, and not be gasping for breath). It may seem slow, but the idea is to build up your aerobic base. It probably sounds corny, but the main thing is, make it fun and not work. Too many people turn it into a chore. Hope this helps some.
Not to nitpick, but he said he ran 6.5 mph for 3 miles, as opposed to 6.5 miles..

Otherwise, great advice!
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For someone just starting out, my recommendation is to maintain a pace where you don't have to start walking part-way through your run (i.e., you can finish the entire run at a given pace without walking). Gradually build up your distance over a period of several months. 6 1/2 miles seems like a pretty significant run for someone who has been running for only a month. For someone just starting, I'd suggest 2 to 4 miles, 3 to 4 times a week initially. Do that more a month or so. Monitor yourself for little aches and pains that can turn into bigger problems (shin splints are usually the main issue with "new" runners). Make sure you stretch after your runs. Run at a "conversational" pace (a pace where you literally could hold a converation with someone while you are running, and not be gasping for breath). It may seem slow, but the idea is to build up your aerobic base. It probably sounds corny, but the main thing is, make it fun and not work. Too many people turn it into a chore. Hope this helps some.

great, great advice from my 'casual runner's' perspective-- especially the part i bolded. I know for a fact that if i didn't look forward to my run so much, and if i didn't see it as a 'fun' escape from everything else i have going on-- i simply wouldn't do it.

right now i'm laid up with a pinched nerve or something in my neck (happens once every couple of years) and it's driving me crazy that i can't get out there and take advantage of this great weather-- hopefully in a couple more days...
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5'10" between 160-165 lbs, the weight has crept up over the past 10 years, for a long time was in the high 140/low 150 range, what most track people would call a middle distance (miler, 5k) build.



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how in the world does your weight go up at all when you run as much as you do? i would think that you could eat a diet of Michael Phelpsian proportions with as many calories as you must expend.
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Not to nitpick, but he said he ran 6.5 mph for 3 miles, as opposed to 6.5 miles..

Otherwise, great advice!

Doh, good catch ! 6.5mph ---> ok, that's about 9:15 per mile (time per mile is the best way to refer to running pace), seems pretty reasonable for someone starting out. And if he made a bit over 3 miles before having to walk, that probably indicates just a bit faster than he should be going at this point. May want to slow a bit, run at something more like 10 minutes per mile.
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how in the world does your weight go up at all when you run as much as you do? i would think that you could eat a diet of Michael Phelpsian proportions with as many calories as you must expend.
Getting older (metabolism slows a lot for most people once you get into your mid-40s and beyond) and training less/not as hard as I used to. Plus my wife is a seriously good cook.
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I'd wager quite a bit that you have a case of Plantar Fasciitis.


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That's how I self-diagnosed it as well. I've been trying to stay off it, but I'm not sure how long I am supposed to. I'm hoping another week should be enough.
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Getting older (metabolism slows a lot for most people once you get into your mid-40s and beyond) and training less/not as hard as I used to. Plus my wife is a seriously good cook.
In your defense, the body also acclimates to levels of effort. While training for my first marathon, I dropped to 175. The weight crept back up to 180-185 over the next two years even though I continued to train at the same level and ran 4 more marathons and several half-marathons.

My best was 4:21 at the Shamrock Marathon in Virginia Beach. A great, well-organized race for anyone in the area!!
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Doh, good catch ! 6.5mph ---> ok, that's about 9:15 per mile (time per mile is the best way to refer to running pace), seems pretty reasonable for someone starting out. And if he made a bit over 3 miles before having to walk, that probably indicates just a bit faster than he should be going at this point. May want to slow a bit, run at something more like 10 minutes per mile.
You made a great point about runing being fun! the last thing I need is running to add stress to my day. I just like to put on the ipod, turn up the tunes, kind of zone out, and let the cares of the day drift away.
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That's how I self-diagnosed it as well. I've been trying to stay off it, but I'm not sure how long I am supposed to. I'm hoping another week should be enough.
And unfortunately, there really isn't a good answer to that, either. Differs with everyone. I had PF about 5 or 6 years ago when I was in the middle of training to run the Chicago marathon. Did a lot of training on the bike instead of running, but wasn't fully recovered from it by the race and dropped out after 18 or 19 miles - the only marathon I've quit.

You've probably already done so, but there are several good websites that talk about what PF, what causes it, and how to treat it. What ultimately helped me get rid of it was using some good shoe inserts that had excellent arch support. Haven't had a problem since...
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This tiny asian chick that goes to the spin class I take at the gym ran in the Huntington Beach full marathon last month. She came in first for women and 4th overall.... 3 hours, four minutes.

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This tiny asian chick that goes to the spin class I take at the gym ran in the Huntington Beach full marathon last month. She came in first for women and 4th overall.... 3 hours, four minutes.



she obviously cheated.
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