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View Poll Results: Do you believe in God?
Yes, I believe in a god/God/higher power. 248 60.05%
No, I do not believe in him/her/it/them. 93 22.52%
I don't know. 72 17.43%
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Old 01-30-2012, 12:12 PM   #46
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I remember when I was kid my dad was digging potatoes in his garden and there was a tater that looked exactly like a penis and scrotum. It was the most miraculous thing I've ever witnessed, and the best evidence I've seen so far that God exists.
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Old 01-30-2012, 12:38 PM   #48
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Nope, why believe in something completely illogical.
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Nope, why believe in something completely illogical.
Because humans aren't purely rational beings. Everyone behaves irrationally, atheists, theists, everyone but sociopaths.
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Because humans aren't purely rational beings. Everyone behaves irrationally, atheists, theists, everyone but sociopaths.
Agree, but gods and religions just make humans that much more irrational, even sociopaths.
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Nope, why believe in something completely illogical.
You're on a football-themed message board. Logic is in short supply here

And a belief in a higher power can be logical. In fact, belief that there is nothing more than what we see is as illogical as a belief in something, going back to the old "why is there something rather than nothing" question

The trouble is a belief system whose internal logic is consistent. For example, my earlier argument that omnipotence and benevolence are mutually exclusive in a world where terrible things happen to people. Some would say he's not omnipotent, or at least chooses not to be (which then excludes the use of prayer), and some would say he's not necessarily benevolent (which makes prayer questionable and worship incomprehensible, IMO). But you must give up one or the other

Sorry for all that, but my point is that saying "there is no god, it's illogical" is, well, illogical
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I'm just a man. A father. A husband. I have NO CLUE if a higher power exists of any kind.

If one does, and that higher power, for some reason I cannot fathom, chooses to focus its intellect & judgement upon my meager life, then my actions will speak for themselves.

If said higher power requires belief to be accepted into some sort of "heaven," then I don't think I want to be a part of that anyway. My life should stand on its own merits. Blind belief isn't something I see as a necessary part of who I am.
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Agree, but gods and religions just make humans that much more irrational, even sociopaths.
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Agree, but gods and religions just make humans that much more irrational, even sociopaths.
I'm not sure that's the case... my general opinion is that the vast majority of people behave like agnostics in their day to day life, they have a general sense of right and wrong that extends outside of a simple cause and effect framework, they believe in abstract concepts like love and honor, etc. However, they don't act like there is someone watching them at every single possible minute all the time.

I think that someone who truly believed down to their core that we're nothing more than atoms bumping into each other would be a lot more self-serving than most athiests are... I think most pass this off as social conditioning and don't worry about it, and that may be true; but they are still acting in a less than a purely rational manner.

Essentially, if you don't believe in anything outside of the explained - then really nothing truly matters, in trillions of years, all matter will be evenly spaced out throughout the universe, and all motion and time will stop. The end.

I'm not sure it's entirely rational for someone to go around with that thought in their head either... hence the vast, vast majority of just go about our lives with a general sense of the way we should live our lives that's a combination of innate beliefs and social conditioning.
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You're on a football-themed message board. Logic is in short supply here

And a belief in a higher power can be logical. In fact, belief that there is nothing more than what we see is as illogical as a belief in something, going back to the old "why is there something rather than nothing" question

The trouble is a belief system whose internal logic is consistent. For example, my earlier argument that omnipotence and benevolence are mutually exclusive in a world where terrible things happen to people. Some would say he's not omnipotent, or at least chooses not to be (which then excludes the use of prayer), and some would say he's not necessarily benevolent (which makes prayer questionable and worship incomprehensible, IMO). But you must give up one or the other

Sorry for all that, but my point is that saying "there is no god, it's illogical" is, well, illogical


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I don't think so, but if it helps people to feel better about the insignificanse of human existance then I guess it can't hurt.

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You're confusing the aliens.
His ancestors would have understood. We're just a little behind. Even the Vulcans were once violent toward each other, and practiced a form of polytheism -- as evidenced by the images of gods (including a war god) on the now-ineffective "Stone of Gol" that Picard got back from the Vulcan isolationists in episode 157

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His ancestors would have understood. We're just a little behind. Even the Vulcans were once violent toward each other, and practiced a form of polytheism -- as evidenced by the images of gods (including a war god) on the now-ineffective "Stone of Gol" that Picard got back from the Vulcan isolationists in episode 157

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A sports bulletin board forum with a poll is obviously a rigged backdrop for a discussion. Ridicule reigns supreme on these boards.

God exists and there is evidence for him. Here is a good one to start with.

Our existence: The fact that we exist is evidence for His existence. Imagine you heard a bang and asked the person beside you what it was. The person said that nothing caused it, but that it just existed for no reason. You wouldn't accept that. If there is obviously a cause for a little bang, there is certainly a cause for a big bang. God is the first cause.
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