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Old 03-20-2017, 08:37 AM   #1
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A benchmark from which we can tell how far the GOP has moved to the alt-right

Disclaimer: I did not vote for Tom Ridge as governor in either of the two elections.

However, I have met him a couple of times, and I have several very, very good friends who reported to him directly, whether as state officials (one a cabinet member) or as Ridge's chief of staff at Homeland Security. Everything any of them ever said about him is 100% consistent with this article.

Curious as to how people might respond to the premises and themes in this piece.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2017/0...ican-civility/
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“If we have this politics of division and demonization, it doesn’t seem to me that there’s any way forward for a democracy under those conditions,” says Ridge, “and so because I love my country, I’m advocating that we restore civility to our discourse and treat our opponents with respect.”
Read more at Do They Still Make Republicans Like Tom Ridge? | News | Philadelphia Magazine
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I don't mean to change the subject but when it comes to Tom Ridge, I want to know whether or not government pressure dictated whether he lowered/raised the terrorist levels when he was at the DHS.

On one hand, he said he was forced to raise it to help Bush win his reelection campaign.

On the other, he denies the pressure and says they only raised it based on intelligence.
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I don't mean to change the subject but when it comes to Tom Ridge, I want to know whether or not government pressure dictated whether he lowered/raised the terrorist levels when he was at the DHS.

On one hand, he said he was forced to raise it to help Bush win his reelection campaign.

On the other, he denies the pressure and says they only raised it based on intelligence.
I'm sure it was both.
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Probably some of both.

One thing to remember: they had to make this up strictly as they went along. Both rationally and politically, none of us could really afford a situation where there was a successful attack right after material downgrading of the threat level. The country had not yet reached the emotional state necessary to normalize terrorist threat math like Israel and England had.

Looking back, it was also difficult to say nothing, and give no indication whether or not there were any threats, or whether we knew anything. Because of the surprise nature of 9/11, we needed some reassurance, even if somewhat false, that we were more secure than before. Again, this is because as a culture we still fear terrorism more than other far deadlier threats to our actual life span.

It was sort of a cousin to having school kids practice getting under their desks in an atomic raid drill in the 50s and early 60s. There was absolutely NO benefit to doing so, other than making people feel less powerless. Net/net, these were probably two instances where a little white lie from the government ended up being for everyone's benefit.

Doesn't happen often, that's for sure. Usually, the lies are real whoppers, and they also create real long-term damage.....
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Very good article. Too bad there aren't more Tom Ridges and fewer Paul Ryans. Ridge, Biden and McCain are good men. We need more like them.
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Probably some of both.

One thing to remember: they had to make this up strictly as they went along. Both rationally and politically, none of us could really afford a situation where there was a successful attack right after material downgrading of the threat level. The country had not yet reached the emotional state necessary to normalize terrorist threat math like Israel and England had.

Looking back, it was also difficult to say nothing, and give no indication whether or not there were any threats, or whether we knew anything. Because of the surprise nature of 9/11, we needed some reassurance, even if somewhat false, that we were more secure than before. Again, this is because as a culture we still fear terrorism more than other far deadlier threats to our actual life span.

It was sort of a cousin to having school kids practice getting under their desks in an atomic raid drill in the 50s and early 60s. There was absolutely NO benefit to doing so, other than making people feel less powerless. Net/net, these were probably two instances where a little white lie from the government ended up being for everyone's benefit.

Doesn't happen often, that's for sure. Usually, the lies are real whoppers, and they also create real long-term damage.....
As we are likely to see with the dreaded "wiretapped" lie. This is the kind of chicanery that will cause his moderate supporters to jump to the other side of the fence.

Not to mention ******* off the British
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