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Old 06-20-2010, 10:53 PM   #1
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BIG oil vs Alternative energy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100620...ntpollutionoil

Do any of you think that these oil spills will start a "citizen" transition to alternative energy? Not a government transition, because i believe there is no money in it. Does the government really want to keep us on oil? Do they want wind mills and solar panels in our yards when there us no signifiacant tax on alternative energy, only tax credits? Where will the kickbacks and campaign donations come from if the majority of our citizens are on ae? It seem pretty obvious that our government is completely driven by kickbacks and contributions.O YEAH, and BIG oil
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To say that the "government" wants us to use oil is to misunderstand the entire relationship between elected officials and lobbyists. "Government" could care less what we use, but as long as the oil lobby pays better than the alternative energy lobby, oil is what we'll use.

At least until alternative energy becomes as cheap as oil...
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Do any of you think that this oil spill will start a "citizen" transition to alternative energy? Not a government transition, because i believe there is no money in it. Does the government really want to keep us on oil? Do they want wind mills and solar panels in our yards when there us no signifiacant tax on alternative energy, only tax credits? Where will the kickbacks and campaign donations come from if the majority of our citizens are on ae? It seem pretty obvious that our government is completely driven by kickbacks and contributions.O YEAH, and BIG oil
haha Silly Rabbit... there is no end in sight to the ways the Government are able to take your money...

They will just go to some sort of mileage tax or you're breathing too much CO2 tax or whatever... they WILL get your money though.

Government would probably prefer the energy we use is domestic though because they are less vulnerable to external factors in that situation. If price of oil shoots up and kills our economy? They will be held responsible... but just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, who your voters are and what you can get away with. That varies, but most Americans want their oil.


Civilians? They want their money, so if that means buying oil costs less, they will continue to do that. Make alternatively energy MUCH cheaper and easier than oil? We will have a billion more environmentalists pop-up over night... Besides, most of the rest of the country looks down upon the south anyways other than vacations in Florida. They will pretend to care just as long as it doesn't impact their oil. They will definitely care even way less if it happens to another country. They want their money... and right now buying oil is way cheaper and easier and proven/established.
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People are going to use whatever's the cheapest. As for the oil spill, for most of the US, its not in their backyard so they probably don't care.
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Petroleum makes the world go round.

If alternative energy (a term so loose, it actually hurts the cause) was viable in this day and age, some "greedy capitalist" would have made a fortune on it.

If plugging an oil leak "has tested the limits of human technology (Obama), how do some people honestly believe there is some miracle source of energy to change the world?



One day, not in out lifetime, there will be an alternative. But in the meantime, we will suffer because of the anti-drilling fever that is spread throughout the country by the idealist.
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Do any of you think that these oil spills will start a "citizen" transition to alternative energy? Not a government transition, because i believe there is no money in it. Does the government really want to keep us on oil? Do they want wind mills and solar panels in our yards when there us no signifiacant tax on alternative energy, only tax credits? Where will the kickbacks and campaign donations come from if the majority of our citizens are on ae? It seem pretty obvious that our government is completely driven by kickbacks and contributions.O YEAH, and BIG oil
No more than this latest SpaghettiO's recall will cause people to start eating healthy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_616831.html
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I don't think the government is that attached to oil. They are more attached to the lobbyists that pay them hand over fist.

Oil is still needed even if an alternative is found and utilized country wide. At least the amount needed would drop significantly.
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People are going to use whatever's the cheapest. As for the oil spill, for most of the US, its not in their backyard so they probably don't care.
This.

For a car, refined oil is just magnitudes of order cheaper and easier to implement than alternative sources of energy. For a power plant, coal is the cheapest form of energy. Nuclear isn't far behind (if allowed to build one) and some sources (water dams for instance) are regionally economical. We should use whatever cheap alternative is available over coal and oil. The bottom line though is: Whatever is cheapest and easiest to implement will rule the day without the use of force otherwise.

People won't actually care about the oil spill. They will think it's bad, it's terrible and say a lot of things, but without the use of force (regulations and taxes are a type of use of force), people will not switch from the cheapest and easiest sources of energy.

And as Brazil has found out, switching to non-oil for cars can have it's downside. The over-use of ethanol has caused a severe de-forestation issue so that people could grow corn to manufacture ethanol. So really there needs to be solar, wind, nuclear, etc all combined and advanced scientifically to be ABLE to move away from oil and coal as a major source of energy without some un-intended repercussions.

I think it's a good thing to use whatever alternatives are available, and hopefully, this oil spill will help some people change the way they look at things. I highly doubt it will make much of an impact though.
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Anyone who thinks Alternative Energy will actually replace Oil is naive. Oil/coal/gas is cheap, readily available and it is NOT just an energy source. It is a basic building block of manufacturing. Think of every synthetic Material there is and realize that that comes from oil. Plastics are in everything, Cars, Fabrics, Computers, Cosmetics, Containers, etc, etc, etc.

If Oil touches 95% of our lives, then good luck finding an alternative.
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No more than this latest SpaghettiO's recall will cause people to start eating healthy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_616831.html

That's not even going to stop me from eating SpagOs.
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Until there is a serious commitment to nuclear power, we will continue to be on oil.

Wind and solar simply do not have the ability to make up the gap that would be left behind if we moved away from oil as a major energy producer.

Even when the Oil Age starts to wind down in another 50 years, we will simply move onto natural gas where we have more than enough "proven" reserves to last us for another 200 years.
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I really don't think we have a source of energy that can replace oil all together for at least a few hundred years. Even then, oil will still be needed.

Bottom line is that oil is still a foundation of many of our manufactured goods and will be for the foreseeable future. Just saying that wind and solar can't contain our thirst for energy is being rather narrow minded.

Instead, use wind/solar where applicable and still use oil/nuke to compensate the heaviest loads. Smaller towns can convert a portion of their energy to solar/wind and help relieve the need for oil/nuke. Anything is a start, but for those saying that solar/wind cannot do it, please understand that any start is a good start and they are not the end all solution. Just a step in the right direction.

Any less dependence on oil, mainly foreign, is a big help.
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I think it's important to note that several local governments have shut curbside recycling programs over costs vs. lack of use.

That suggests to me that most people are all for utopian energy sources and ecology until it costs them more or it takes even a minimal effort to sort through old cans and plastic bottles. I simply cannot understand the second part of that.

Sure, it's not going to solve the problem completely. But it's a start.
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