Department of Home Lunch Security

[champ76]

Originally Posted by RebSaint

I don't think "big, overreaching government" or "states rights" has anything to do with you being

Which to me, comes as no surprise.

What is it then?

[Crzycjunx76]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic

Inspecting parent-provided food is another issue entirely, but we never get anywhere on the FDA and the USDA (both corrupt) in this country because it gets buried in libertarian nonsense about Orwell

That is my primary issue with the situation actually. It never should have gotten to the nugget point because if the parent is providing a meal then it is none of the school or their administrators business what the child is eating. (well as long as there is nothing illegal therein). I do not care if it is State or Federal government... the principal is the same, butt out.

[insidejob]

So, I am a vegeterian and my kids will be raised the same way. The government has a right to force my kids to eat meat? Yeah, I don't think so.

[Sandman]

I'm going on record here stating that I like chicken nuggets.

[BuffaloSaint]

When I heard this story on Glenn Beck this was the call I wanted to make.


This policy is wrong and I'm sure it will be changed very soon, hopefully a court can come in and legislate to protect parents from the radical arm of this local government. I will also say that this is an excellent example of what can happen when you don't have a powerful top down federal government that helps to restrain the radicals that can easily take over a local school district, state or even region. It's a good thing that we have the Feds and the courts to protect us from such mayhem.

[Cosmic201]

Originally Posted by insidejob

So, I am a vegeterian and my kids will be raised the same way. The government has a right to force my kids to eat meat? Yeah, I don't think so.

No, the government would provide a course of protein. In your child's case, some sort of beans or bean products like a soy burger.



The new food....plate.

[Cosmic201]

Originally Posted by BuffaloSaint

When I heard this story on Glenn Beck this was the call I wanted to make.


This policy is wrong and I'm sure it will be changed very soon, hopefully a court can come in and legislate to protect parents from the radical arm of this local government. I will also say that this is an excellent example of what can happen when you don't have a powerful top down federal government that helps to restrain the radicals that can easily take over a local school district, state or even region. It's a good thing that we have the Feds and the courts to protect us from such mayhem.

Once again, the policy isn't anything like what happened at the school. It was one school official setting their own policy.

The state policy is to simply inspect the school lunches brought in to make sure they fit with dietary guidelines. If they don't, they do no remove the brought lunch from the student. Instead they'll also give the sides or courses missing.

So just for example, if the lunch she brought of the turkey sandwich, two fruits, and the chips was found lacking dairy and a vegetable, they would simply give the child a carton of milk and some carrots.

This is a good thing for everyone involved. Children learn and grow better when they are getting a balanced diet. There are safeguards in place in case a child isn't getting enough or the right kinds of food from home.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic

I agree completely that our tax dollars should not be spent on junk food. If you're going to spend money on food, make it nutritious. Conservative beliefs systems should entail careful and rightful spending of our money - ensuring kids have good nutrition on meals we provide is certainly within that category

What is pathetic, and the root of the issue here, is that the government has decided that chicken nuggets are nutritious (and pizza etc)

The problem isn't using tax dollars to pay for good nutrition, it's the government's twisted definition of "healthy" driven by big food

Inspecting parent-provided food is another issue entirely, but we never get anywhere on the FDA and the USDA (both corrupt) in this country because it gets buried in libertarian nonsense about Orwell

I have an honest question. Why aren't chicken nuggets healthy in proportion to the meal and who is the party responsible for defining ketchup as a vegetable and nuggets as nutritious?

Who is tyson buying to get fried chicken parts defined as healthy?

[champ76]

Originally Posted by Cosmic201

No, the government would provide a course of protein. In your child's case, some sort of beans or bean products like a soy burger.

The new food....plate.

Thank you government, for providing a course of protein.

Now take that protein and shove it up your

[champ76]

Originally Posted by Cosmic201

This is a good thing for everyone involved. Children learn and grow better when they are getting a balanced diet. There are safeguards in place in case a child isn't getting enough or the right kinds of food from home.

Thank God the government is there to protect us from sack lunches.

And the kids only get the balanced diet if they eat the vegetables, which the child refused to do in this case.

Unless you want to propose that the child remain in the cafeteria until he or she finishes everything on his or her plate.

What have we come to?

[Sarcastic]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I'm going on record here stating that I like chicken nuggets.

Saved. I'm going to take you down one day with this quote

Originally Posted by BuffaloSaint

When I heard this story on Glenn Beck this was the call I wanted to make.


This policy is wrong and I'm sure it will be changed very soon, hopefully a court can come in and legislate to protect parents from the radical arm of this local government. I will also say that this is an excellent example of what can happen when you don't have a powerful top down federal government that helps to restrain the radicals that can easily take over a local school district, state or even region. It's a good thing that we have the Feds and the courts to protect us from such mayhem.

You sound way too sane to be listening to Glenn Beck

Originally Posted by Cosmic201

No, the government would provide a course of protein. In your child's case, some sort of beans or bean products like a soy burger.



The new food....plate.

That is such a cataclysmic oversimplification of human dietary needs, there isn't enough hyperbole in the world to explain how angry it makes me. My head literally just exploded

Originally Posted by dtradin

I have an honest question. Why aren't chicken nuggets healthy in proportion to the meal and who is the party responsible for defining ketchup as a vegetable and nuggets as nutritious?

Who is tyson buying to get fried chicken parts defined as healthy?

They're not technically "buying" anyone. USDA and FDA's top officials ALL, ALL come from big food companies. They are appointed to the staff for a while, and when they're done looking out for the big companies' needs for a while, they go back to that CEO-ish position at Tyson or whatever and get paid as much or more than before

The evidence is there - it's like they're doing shift work, all the big companies come together to collaborate on schedules - "Hey Tyson, it's your turn to do FDA this decade"

The fact is, every top official that is in charge of regulating food content and advertising and recommending proper diet to the public worked at a food corporation before, and will again.

It's been going on for a long time - search Netflix streaming for "food" under documentaries, there are several good ones.

Chicken nuggets count as protein but a turkey sandwich is unacceptable. I just can't get over that.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic

Cheetos and bologna sandwich >>> chicken nuggets

Who disagrees with that?

People don't really know what their food is made of, do they?

I get what you're saying, but it depends on the nugget. When my kid was younger I used to make her baked nuggets out of breast tenders. there's nothing wrong with organic chicken breast meet with cornflakes and egg wash.

Fried McDonalds pieces parts filled with steroids are a different matter and I would have to judge the nuggets in question based on some facts and not your personal hatred of one sort of nugget.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic

Our nation is not about "what do the most people want"

As a rational, intelligent, physically fit, atheist who lives in Mississippi, I stand for everything the "majority" of the population does not and vice versa, and don't want to be subject to their whims

It may not be fair to subject some states to the laws of D.C. but it would be equally unfair and inhumane to allow the states that are last in education, obesity, teen pregnancy, drunk driving, belief in space aliens, understanding of their own religion, poverty, debt, responsible spending, meth addiction and cars without all their windows to govern themselves

I know MSians will be the first to ask for just that - but when a mentally retarted kid asks you for a sack of razor blades, you politely say no - you don't give it to him because it's his god-given right

:

[Sarcastic]

Originally Posted by dtradin

I get what you're saying, but it depends on the nugget. When my kid was younger I used to make her baked nuggets out of breast tenders. there's nothing wrong with organic chicken breast meet with cornflakes and egg wash.

Fried McDonalds pieces parts filled with steroids are a different matter and I would have to judge the nuggets in question based on some facts and not your personal hatred of one sort of nugget.

Do you expect that the cafeteria workers are cutting up chicken breasts and coating them with cornflakes behind the scenes? If so, good for them

But I am 100 thousand trillion billion percent sure that they're dumping them out of big frozen sacks just like McDonalds does

[Crzycjunx76]

Originally Posted by Cosmic201

The state policy is to simply inspect the school lunches brought in to make sure they fit with dietary guidelines. If they don't, they do no remove the brought lunch from the student. Instead they'll also give the sides or courses missing.

So just for example, if the lunch she brought of the turkey sandwich, two fruits, and the chips was found lacking dairy and a vegetable, they would simply give the child a carton of milk and some carrots.

Still not ok with it, even if they could conjure up carrots and milk out of thin air to feed the child and no one had to pay for it(as we know is impossible), I would still not be ok with them assuming that a packed lunch was in some way insufficient and that it was their business to supplement it. If a kid was sent to school with a roast beef sandwich, a bottle of water, an apple, and some chips... the school decided to give the child some carrots and a milk carton and then sent home a bill for the added foods, I would pretty much tell them to shove the bill up their ***. They have no business making the decision to mandate such guidelines in the first place, they are guidelines not law. Besides they have no idea what the child's diet is actually like... I never drank milk at school, I just could not abide the cardboard boxes, but I LOVED milk and honestly drank way too much (3-4 gallons a week)... specifically considering we are really not supposed to consume it after infancy.