Gun Violence: Higher in states with less gun control

[TechDawg09]

In light of last night's attack, I thought it might be time to throw some data out there (someone I work with made the comment that an attack like that wouldn't happen in a state without strict gun control). I'm not familiar with Colorado's laws, but I know Alaska's are about as lax as you can get and it has the highest rate of deaths from firearm injury.

Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).

The Geography of Gun Violence

[J-Donk]

This is from the west wing

If you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year. They had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws

This quote seems to be a little off possibly, but its not far from the truth.

Graph with firearm stats by country: Murders with firearms statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

The first G8 country to show up in the graph is Germany. It has 226 deaths compared to our 9.6k

Gun laws of some kind seem to make a difference. We should at least have mandatory education classes for any firearm not used for sport.

[SaintBrad]

Originally Posted by J-Donk

This is from the west wing



This quote seems to be a little off possibly, but its not far from the truth.

Graph with firearm stats by country: Murders with firearms statistics - countries compared - NationMaster Crime

Gun laws of some kind seem to make a difference. We should at least have mandatory education classes for any firearm not used for sport.

There's a lot more variables that come into play when comparing countries. While all countries have bad apples, most of em don't have the thug culture pandamic on a level that America has along with hate filled American type propaganda. I've got friends from Australia, and they claim they didn't have gangs or thugs anywhere close to the level we do.

[IntenseSaint]

Hmmmm

One of the principal weapons used by James Eagan Holmes in the horrific Dark Knight Rises shooting would have been subject to a series of sharp restrictions under the now-expired federal Assault Weapons ban. The AR-15 rife carried by Holmes, a civilian semi-automatic version of the military M-16, would have been defined as a “semiautomatic assault weapon” under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. If the law was still in force, semiautomatic assault weapons would have been outright banned

This love affairs with guns has to end....

[efil4stnias]

Originally Posted by IntenseSaint

Hmmmm



This love affairs with guns has to end....

*shrugs*

will it? why anyone needs an AR-15, beyond being a collector, is a mystery to me.

[guidomerkinsrules]

Originally Posted by SaintBrad

There's a lot more variables that come into play when comparing countries. While all countries have bad apples, most of em don't have the thug culture pandamic on a level that America has along with hate filled American type propaganda. I've got friends from Australia, and they claim they didn't have gangs or thugs anywhere close to the level we do.

Swing and a miss
By a country mile

Unless of course the prohibition gun battles where fueled by rap videos
if so then bully for you for astute observation

Plus oz as well as plenty of euro countries have skin heads et al coming out the wazzoo

[Brown]

geesh, it took over 12 hours to start a thread on gun control after the Batman massacre?

I figured it'd be rolling by 8am CST.

In any event, we cannot compare the USA to europe. We have always had freedom to own guns while they had gun control even before the industrial revolution. Heck even police don't carry firearms in much or Great Britain.

We're too far down the road and too many of us have guns to turn off a spiggot.

The rights are being whittled away though so no need to panic. Concealed permit laws are well entrenched and it'll soon become a matter of law that you have to get a permit to purchase a gun as well as ammunition.

[efil4stnias]

Originally Posted by Brown

geesh, it took over 12 hours to start a thread on gun control after the Batman massacre?

I figured it'd be rolling by 8am CST.

In any event, we cannot compare the USA to europe. We have always had freedom to own guns while they had gun control even before the industrial revolution. Heck even police don't carry firearms in much or Great Britain.

We're too far down the road and too many of us have guns to turn off a spiggot.

The rights are being whittled away though so no need to panic. Concealed permit laws are well entrenched and it'll soon become a matter of law that you have to get a permit to purchase a gun as well as ammunition.

guns...like revolvers, pistols, 9mm....i get. i can. 8 in the clip 1 in the chamber. If its for defense, and you need 9 rounds to stop an intruder, chances will be that intruder will have shot you long before him being shot.

But Assault weapons....what, outside of collecting, is the use of an assault rifle?

[TechDawg09]

Originally Posted by Brown

geesh, it took over 12 hours to start a thread on gun control after the Batman massacre?

I figured it'd be rolling by 8am CST.

In any event, we cannot compare the USA to europe. We have always had freedom to own guns while they had gun control even before the industrial revolution. Heck even police don't carry firearms in much or Great Britain.

We're too far down the road and too many of us have guns to turn off a spiggot.

The rights are being whittled away though so no need to panic. Concealed permit laws are well entrenched and it'll soon become a matter of law that you have to get a permit to purchase a gun as well as ammunition.

I wasn't really comparing the USA to Europe as much as I was comparing Alaska and the Deep South to New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and California.

I've been to Alaska, and they aren't a very wild bunch (at least not like metro areas in New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, and New York), though the remote parts of the states have high suicide rates, but they are the only state that I know of that doesn't require permits to carry a concealed gun. These permits in other states are issued only after the completion of proper training on how to handle that gun, so I don't think the high rate of deaths from gun injuries is coincidence if anyone can just walk around with a gun.

[UK SAINTS]

another interesting site:

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

"The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year. Other key findings include:

• While gun crime is down in the vast majority of states, it is up in New York, Virginia, New Jersey, Mississippi, Missouri, Arizona, Delaware, New Hampshire
Massachusetts, North Dakota, Connecticut and several of the smaller states
• If you look at the firearms murder rate per 100,000 people, District of Columbia comes out top - with 16 firearms murders per 100,000 man, woman and child in the state. There were 99 firearms murders in DC in 2010, down 12% on 2009
• DC is followed by Louisiana (7.75) and Missouri (5.34)
• DC is also top for firearms robberies per 100,000 people - with 255.98"

[Saintslfc13]

What about stabbings though? Isn't it reasonable to consider that, those who are willing to seemingly just for the sake of it would just move on to different weapons? Knives just being one of them, but there are many out there. No one has to register knives either, at least as far as I know.

I know for a fact that England, has a lot of stabbing deaths.

[redlandssaintsson]

Originally Posted by Saintslfc13

What about stabbings though? Isn't it reasonable to consider that, those who are willing to seemingly just for the sake of it would just move on to different weapons? Knives just being one of them, but there are many out there. No one has to register knives either, at least as far as I know.

I know for a fact that England, has a lot of stabbing deaths.

That very well may be, but I'd seriously doubt you'd rack up 50 injuries and 13 deaths with a knife in a crowded public place. I'll take my chances against a knife wielder, but I don't stand a chance against a firearm.

[Saintslfc13]

Originally Posted by efil4stnias

guns...like revolvers, pistols, 9mm....i get. i can. 8 in the clip 1 in the chamber. If its for defense, and you need 9 rounds to stop an intruder, chances will be that intruder will have shot you long before him being shot.

But Assault weapons....what, outside of collecting, is the use of an assault rifle?

Assault rifles can be used as defense as well can they not? What if a riot broke out in your town and the mob was heading for your place? Would you rather have the 9mm or an assault rifle?

I've been of the opinion for a long time that training, education and embracing firearms is the answer to things like this. Don't you think that if a good number of good people were armed and properly educated/trained in the use of firearms (similar to how we train and educate people to operate motor vehicles) that the shooters in this incidents wouldn't have done nearly as much damage before someone took them out?

In regards to this incident - Considering they way the shooter stood down for the police, isn't it actually reasonable to consider that he wouldn't have done it at all if it was commonplace that the majority of people own, carry, and are proficient in the use of firearms because his risk of death would have been far greater. Assuming of course that he stood down for the police so that they didn't light him up and end his life.

[Saintslfc13]

Originally Posted by redlandssaintsson

That very well may be, but I'd seriously doubt you'd rack up 50 injuries and 13 deaths with a knife in a crowded public place. I'll take my chances against a knife wielder, but I don't stand a chance against a firearm.

You stand a chance if you yourself are armed and know how to use one.

Knives are silent, anyone crazy enough to do it could easily kill several people with a knife without anyone even knowing it was going on. Especially in a dark and loud movie theater with people focused on the movie.

[krushing]

I have a few ARs and I enjoy shooting them. I keep them locked up. Folks need to take a look at the number of folks killed by automobiles. These incidents are tragic, but it's not the guns fault. This kid had all kinds of explosives. He could have blown the whole theatre up if he had chosen to do so, or he could have driven his joker mobile right through the line in front of the theater. It's very hard to stop folks intent on killing.