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Old 02-23-2013, 08:38 PM   #1
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Mychal Massie is asked on Twitter why he dislikes the Obamas

Is this truthful in your opinion? Instead of attacking the source, please counter what he says and tell me if he is telling the truth in your opinion, or just spewing conservative hate and the top Liberal in the country.




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The other evening on my twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's? Specifically I was asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family picture."

The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent, their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.

I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America. They display disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous.
I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress.

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Is this truthful in your opinion? Instead of attacking the source, please counter what he says and tell me if he is telling the truth in your opinion, or just spewing conservative hate and the top Liberal in the country.
I won't lie, I had to Google who "Mychal Massie" was...but I'll give it a shot.

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Mychal Massie is a respected writer and talk show host in Los Angeles.
The other evening on my twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's? Specifically I was asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family picture."

The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent, their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who really believes that Obama is a Communist, Marxist, or Socialist. It shows a complete lack of understanding of those terms, of history, and of Obama's policies. It shows that they're incapable of articulating disagreement without what -- at least in American politics -- equates to mudslinging and name calling.

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I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America.
Oh, and I should include Leninist in that list above.

This type of attack is effective, because it plays to the lowest-common-denominator. It skips the nuanced policy debates, and appeals to the emotions. To be fair, both sides do this -- W got compared to Hitler and called a fascist a ton of times.

It also allows people who dislike Obama to "Other" him: "He's bad for America because he's a Marxist/Leninist/Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Muslim/all-of-the-above/etc." and "He's bad for America because he hates America."

The name calling and accusations of hatred/contempt for America all leads to the same suggestion -- whether it's explicitly said or not -- that Obama isn't "one of us." This isn't a racial thing about Obama being black, though I'm sure there are racists out there that dislike Obama because he's black. Other-ing really goes beyond race, seeking to delegitimize his Presidency on a number of grounds: he wasn't born here, he's a Muslim, etc.

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They display disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous.
I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress.
Emperor and Empress?

It's hard to rebut name calling and extremism.

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I expect, no I demand respect, for the Office of President and a love of our country and her citizenry from the leader entrusted with the governance of same. President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her people.
The Right's idolization of the Reagan Presidency has been a fascinating thing to watch over the last ten years or so.

And it kind of makes sense when you think about it historically:
George W. Bush entered the office in controversy and left it deeply disliked by the American public.
H.W. Bush is ultimately a no-go because he lost to Clinton (Presidents who lose re-election make bad idols).
Ford was never elected and lost to Carter.
Nixon was a crook.
Eisenhower would be a great choice...only most Americans today weren't alive during his Presidency and his 8 years are historically pretty boring -- no wars, no groundbreaking pieces of legislation like the New Deal or Civil Rights Act, etc.

That basically defaults to Reagan.

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The Reagan's made Americans feel good about themselves and about what we could accomplish.
Let's be honest though -- the Watergate scandal + Vietnam + stagflation + oil crisis + Carter's mistakes = American's feeling bad about themselves.

By Reagan's inauguration, we were 6 years from Watergate, 8 years from the end of Vietnam, almost 10 since the Nixon shock. The oil market stabilized, then the price dropped drastically in the 1980s. And we got rid of Carter. Throw in some saber-rattling against an almost-collapsing Soviet Union and a growing economy and it's pretty easy to see Reagan's path to idol-status.

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Obama's arrogance by appointing 32 leftist czars and constantly bypassing congress is impeachable.
Criticism of appointing "czars" is one of those easy attacks that people like to use because it sounds nice. Notice how none of the criticism ever gets more specific than "leftist"...because then they'd have to explain why it's a bad thing, and that's a MUCH harder thing to do.

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Eric Holder is probably the MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job.
I'm not a big fan of Holder -- but is he worse than John Mitchell, who went to jail for Watergate, or Kleindienst who lied under oath? Or even Ashcroft and Gonzales, who both were responsible for serious erosions of civil liberties?

But I suppose you could argue that those AGs weren't incompetent?

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Could you envision President Reagan instructing his Justice Department to act like jack-booted thugs?
This wasn't the Justice Department, but the Iran-Contra Scandal was worse than any "scandal" in Obama's first term.

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...the Obama's have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit, mendacity, subterfuge and obfuscation to new depths. They are verbally abusive to the citizenry, and they display an animus for civility.

I do not like them, because they both display bigotry overtly...Michelle Obama is free to hate and disparage whites because Americans of every description paid with their blood to ensure her right to do same.

I have a saying, that "the only reason a person hides things, is because they have something to hide." No president in history has spent millions of dollars to keep his records and his past sealed....And what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today....He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel. His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare...He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed."
These attacks aren't even worth addressing -- I'd suggest anyone who is interested in them to do some digging. His claims of the Administration's corruption, financial impropriety, and extremism are wildly inaccurate.

tl;dr yes, he is just spewing conservative hate.

EDIT: took me awhile because I paused to bake some bread and have a bowl of ice cream.
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Is this truthful in your opinion? Instead of attacking the source, please counter what he says and tell me if he is telling the truth in your opinion, or just spewing conservative hate and the top Liberal in the country.
Is this truthful in your opinion? Do you think he is telling the truth in your opinion?

I don't care for many of Obama's policies, either. And I didn't vote for him either time. But I think this is a pretty poor article.

And I think that anyone giving some of the details in this article any credence (not sure if you're in that number or not), then there's no objectivity to begin with in terms of seeing Obama as some sort of left radical.

Which he really is not. I think he's not been liberal enough in terms of areas I am most interested and passionate about - education and incarceration and youth. And I don't think that these are the only areas he's not been all that capital-L "Liberal" about, either.

Now, just a few things from the article:

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they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.
Already the guy has pretty much eliminated any illusions of level-headedness. This sounds like he's locked himself in the echo chamber. Or maybe he's behind the sound system in it. Either way, "only be regarded as a Communist state" is neither accurate nor constructive.

He's pandering.

Do you think he's turning this into a Communist state?

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I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America.
What do you suppose he means by "elitist Leninists" and "traditional America"? I know my definitions for both probably differ. I think he's probably not much of a historical scholar. ANd I think this notion of "traditional America" is probably more monolithic than mine.

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Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous.
I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress.
what "raw contempt"? If it's so "transpicuous" then it shouldn't be that hard to present a compelling case. It's not self-evident, so at least a couple of examples would help.

And "emperor and empress"? What does that even mean?

Once more, he's relying on lazy generalizations using phrases that are suppose to evoke some sort of of image that we're supposed to simultaneously assume is right and is empirically objectionable.

It's lazy journalism.

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President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her people.
I suppose a rightist rant like this wouldn't be complete without the Reagan adulation. We have "transpicuous Communists" vs. "unparalleled love" and we're just supposed to take that kind of rhetoric for granted as True?

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Eric Holder is probably the MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job.
I share the contempt for Holder. Incompetent and arrogant? Probably. Most ever? Not sure about that.

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Presidents are politicians and all politicians are known and pretty much expected to manipulate the truth, if not outright lie, but even using that low standard, the Obama's have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit, mendacity, subterfuge and obfuscation to new depths.
to "new depths"? I don't know. I don't see how he's shooting anything but par relative to other Presidents. I don't know Presidential history all that keenly, but, again, it would help to have some context.

I just don't see the deceit etc etc etc to new depths. I'm assuming there's an implicit forgiveness of Reagan in this regard, but Obama (for reasons that are pretty obvious already) isn't spared.

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I do not like them, because they both display bigotry overtly, as in the case of Harvard Professor Louis Gates
Where is the overt bigotry? What he follows this with isn't a description of bigotry. He's playing the bigot card without actually talking about bigotry. Once again, we're just supposed to take his word for it.

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where a Kenyan, his illegal alien relatives, and his alleged progeny, could come and not only live freely, but rise to the highest, most powerful, position in the world.
I'm surprised he didn't just talk about the sealed records and his belief in the birther movement...

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No president in history has spent millions of dollars to keep his records and his past sealed.
oh, there it is.

This is reading like some sort of propagandist checklist.

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He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today.
No, he hasn't. When it comes to education and incarceration, I kind of wish he would have more radical thought, because we could use some solutions that are considered "radical" politically (but really aren't). We need to move from the status quo, in the direction of more liberty. And we aren't in some of these areas.

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His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world).
wut?
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I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies.
of course he doesn't. And won't. His livelihood depends on selling this message.

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It is my intention to do all within my ability to ensure their reign is one term. I could go on
there's no reason to. Anyone who has read this far could probably complete a Political MadLibs! Mychal Massie-style and complete it with near 100% accuracy.

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There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people
what was he saying about people playing the race card?

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Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled.
So this guy talks, gallantly, about his respect for the Office of President of the United States. And here he talks about the low bar set by predecessors. If he was so ideological, I'm wondering where his vitriol directed at this predecessors is.

Maybe it's there - I don't follow this dude, so maybe he has.

This was an awful defense for a pretty radical and intemperate perspective.

Don't like the guy. Don't like his policies.

But don't expect to be taken seriously when you (Massie) go about expressing those ideas like this.

For people looking to validate their disapproval of Obama, they'd do well to look at other pundits and politicians than people like this. Citing this kind of work only risks credibility of the argument.
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As this wasn't meant to be an article, but an answer to a fan asking to explain his contempt for Obama, I can't comment on the shoddy journalism.

However, I, too, think he is using over-generalizations to the point of pandering to a Conservative sector that is growing increasingly paranoid and resorting to fear-mongering.

My only wish is that he would back up what he is saying with examples, like he did with the Harvard Professor example.

Thats why I posted it. I was hoping someone could provide examples, because though I am no Obama-fan, I'd like to know if any of these claims can be substantiated.
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My only wish is that he would back up what he is saying with examples, like he did with the Harvard Professor example.
but why is that an example that you found, well, exemplary?

Look at what he wrote:

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I do not like them, because they both display bigotry overtly
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as in the case of Harvard Professor Louis Gates, when he accused the Cambridge Police of acting stupidly, and her code speak pursuant to not being able to be proud of America. I view that statement and that mindset as an insult to those who died to provide a country where a Kenyan, his illegal alien relatives, and his alleged progeny, could come and not only live freely, but rise to the highest, most powerful, position in the world.
where is that bigotry? How is it demonstrative of bigotry? What he followed up with said nothing about bigotry.

The closest he got to an explanation was "an insult to those who died yada yada" and that's not bigotry.

He's throwing out the word "bigot" because he knows it's a loaded term. Then he throws out an "example" which isn't really an example. Then he follows that up with the description of something completely irrelevant.

And his purpose is to get people to believe that this is an example of said bigotry. He calls it "overt" after all, so you'd be foolish or naive not to see the bigotry, right? If it's so overt, surely he can give us a more convincing and illustrative example and explain it.

So why do you think it was a good example? I thought it was a pretty awful one, with even worse support - so I just didn't see validity in it, personally.
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Because I knew what he was talking about. In response to the Louis case, Obama himself admitted that he regretted making the comments that he made, and that he should have become more aware of the situation before commenting. Many thought he did so strictly on the basis of race.

And Michelle, as First Lady of the U.S. saying that "For the first time in my life, I am proud of America" is a really terrible thing to say as First Lady, and since she made it in reference to voting a black man one step closer to the presidency, it seemed to have racial undertones.
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Because I knew what he was talking about. In response to the Louis case, Obama himself admitted that he regretted making the comments that he made, and that he should have become more aware of the situation before commenting. Many thought he did so strictly on the basis of race.

And Michelle, as First Lady of the U.S. saying that "For the first time in my life, I am proud of America" is a really terrible thing to say as First Lady, and since she made it in reference to voting a black man one step closer to the presidency, it obviously had racial undertones.
so you agree that they are bigots?
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so you agree that they are bigots?
You asked why I found the examples exemplary, to which I replied.
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You asked why I found the examples exemplary, to which I replied.
yes, I asked why you thought they were accurate, appropriate examples. Of bigotry in this case.

I understood that to mean you agree with him that they are bigots and this example was an example of said bigotry.

If that's not right, then I misunderstood.

Additionally, I still don't see how your defense above explains the bigotry.

Obama apologized for saying that the officer "acted stupidly"

how is that comment (saying someone did something stupid) and his apology for it later an indicator of "bigotry"?

And I don't see bigotry in Michelle Obama's comments, either. I think it's a bit melodramatic, but considering the history of race relations in the country, I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of a black man being close to the Presidency. I think it's something to be proud of. The case doesn't apply just to him. Other minority and women firsts are reasons for pride, too.

Is that fair or no?

While I don't care for him as President, I am proud of the monumental nature of his Presidency for what it means in terms of social progress re: race. Though I think it's often overstated when people try and use it to justify a post-racial thesis or that race is no longer relevant.

I can understand the objection to the "for the first time in my life" - and I think that's more melodramatic than bigoted. And "racial undertones" don't necessarily connote bigotry, right?

In the same way that someone can talk about race without being racist.
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First off, someone needs to mention that this column is a year old--per Snopes, first published on February 22, 2012. Not sure why we are discussing it now.

snopes.com: Why I Do Not Like the Obamas

I think Oye has largely disposed of the merits, but I want to interject about the "MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head ever" claim. Many Obama supporters have found Holder's policies to be a relative disappointment compared to more positive accomplishments we've seen in other parts of the administration. But, worst ever? Not by a long shot. Consider this recent rogues' gallery: John Mitchell (convicted felon), Richard Kleindienst (convicted perjurer), Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales. Go back further and consider that Woodrow Wilson's AGs were inveterate racist James McReynolds, free-speech enemy Thomas W. Gregory, and Red-baiter Mitchell Palmer.
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I love it when someone starts a topic with a hate-filled message linked to it, while saying that they don't "necessarily" agree with it, but just wanted to share it with everyone anyway.

Reminds me of that thread on the EE about Beyonce being possessed by evil spirits.

It seems like an easy way to share a message that is obviously going to be controversial, and you don't "necessarily" want to stake your e-reputation on whether or not the garbage attached to it is even remotely true, but you want to make sure everyone reads it anyway.
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Oh joy, someone (I will not name call)is back posting nothing more than links to raving loonies and making us counter it.


Oye pretty much sums it up.

However, the assertion that the source doesn't matter is pure fallacy. Nothing the writer said was factual. It was all opinion.


This is a man who as routinely published stories about the Obama's that have been proven 100% false, but he still supports the stories. He's never once came back with a retraction for any of them. He routinely puts out insane conspiracy theories about Obama, including several that 'prove' that Obama is the spawn of Satan (not even joking). He's blamed all of the faults he finds in Obama on genetics.
I don’t blame Obama for being a corrupt, dishonest, congenital liar – looking at his gene pool...



Everything he types is nothing but opinion. And deranged opinions at that.

Nothing can be 'Proven' or disproven because nothing he asserts is based on facts.
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Is this truthful in your opinion? Instead of attacking the source, please counter what he says and tell me if he is telling the truth in your opinion, or just spewing conservative hate and the top Liberal in the country.
No. It's pretty much drivel, start to finish. I would say it is horribly written but it isn't; the ideas are completely inane but the writing is better than most who spew the same garbage.
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