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Old 04-18-2012, 06:25 PM   #127
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You are incorrect. There are multiple measures of the unemployment rate. Since Obama took office, there have been no changes in how these rates are calculated, which rate is the most widely reported, nor which rates are used to compare today's unemployment with past unemployment.

You factual errors undermine everything you have posted.
Well you're right in the calculations, nice couching of the stats. The real change is in not counting the long term unemployed that had always been previously counted. Thus, under Obama, once you have been unemployed for too long, you magically disappear from the calculation. Drop 300K from the ranks of the unemployed and it looks like unemployment went down, when if fact it didn't. So he creates 120K jobs, 300K quit working and the calculations show unemployment went down.

If another 2 million age off the rolls in another O term, we could get the unemployment number under 5%.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:34 PM   #128
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Well you're right in the calculations, nice couching of the stats. The real change is in not counting the long term unemployed that had always been previously counted. Thus, under Obama, once you have been unemployed for too long, you magically disappear from the calculation. Drop 300K from the ranks of the unemployed and it looks like unemployment went down, when if fact it didn't. So he creates 120K jobs, 300K quit working and the calculations show unemployment went down.

If another 2 million age off the rolls in another O term, we could get the unemployment number under 5%.
I wonder if they eat dog in the white house to, I didn't know Obama was a dog eater!

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Old 04-18-2012, 07:37 PM   #129
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I wonder if they eat dog in the white house to, I didn't know Obama was a dog eater!

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There is a difference in eating dog and being a dog eater. I've had dog a few different ways when I was in Korea (soup was the best and I still didn't care for it), but I'm not a dog eater...at least I don't think I am, lol. I also drove a race car once, long time ago in Florida, helping clean-up after Hurricane Andrew, does that mean I am now a race car driver?

But, don't let that interfere with your Obama hate. Also, many of us in uniform have always expressed reservation from openly criticism of the CINC of the Military, even on this board. I know you are young to the Army and have a lot to learn, but please learn. Heck, I'm retired and still feel hesitant to openly be critical of any of them.
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Well you're right in the calculations, nice couching of the stats. The real change is in not counting the long term unemployed that had always been previously counted. Thus, under Obama, once you have been unemployed for too long, you magically disappear from the calculation. Drop 300K from the ranks of the unemployed and it looks like unemployment went down, when if fact it didn't. So he creates 120K jobs, 300K quit working and the calculations show unemployment went down.

If another 2 million age off the rolls in another O term, we could get the unemployment number under 5%.
Let me try again - the calculation of the unemployment rate has not changed.

You are confusing two different measures of unemployment. The most commonly used definition is (unemployed, but looking for work) / number of people in work force.

There is another metric that is (working age adults without a job)/ (population of working age adults). By definition, this number is higher than the first metric. Roughly, population of working age adults = people in the work force + people not in the work force. Someone who is looking for work is in the work force, someone who is not looking for work is not. If a long term unemployed person stops looking for work, they are no longer considered part of the work force.


Simple example, husband works, wife stays home to take care of kids. The unemployment rate for this population is 0% by the first measure and 50% by the second measure. Both measures have their use, but you cannot directly compare them which is what you are trying to do.
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:49 PM   #131
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There is a difference in eating dog and being a dog eater. I've had dog a few different ways when I was in Korea (soup was the best and I still didn't care for it), but I'm not a dog eater...at least I don't think I am, lol. I also drove a race car once, long time ago in Florida, helping clean-up after Hurricane Andrew, does that mean I am now a race car driver?

But, don't let that interfere with your Obama hate. Also, many of us in uniform have always expressed reservation from openly criticism of the CINC of the Military, even on this board. I know you are young to the Army and have a lot to learn, but please learn. Heck, I'm retired and still feel hesitant to openly be critical of any of them.
I'm not that young in the military...I'm a non commissioned officer, I just don't want to have to worry if I'm gonna get paid because of government shut down, I want our government spending not to be out of control, I want someone to approve the pipeline( think about it lf we produce 50 percent of our oil instead of 17 percent gas prices go down)I don't mind people comming here legally but when they come illegally I have a problem with it. This is the worst debt of all time. I just got back from deployment, I have the right to worry about what I'm fighting for! Eating dogs is not a typical American I don't think. I could be wrong.
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I'm not that young in the military...I'm a non commissioned office, I just don't want to have to worry if I'm gonna get paid because of government shut down, I want our government spending not to be out of control, I want someone to approve the pipeline( think about it lf we produce 50 percent of our oil instead of 17 percent gas prices go down)I don't mind people comming here legally but when they come illegally I have a problem with it. This is the worst debt of all time. I just got back from my 2nd deployment
Ok, seems like just yesterday you were an E4, congratulations on the promotion and joining the NCO ranks. Keep it up. Go back in this thread and read your blatant disrespectful tone, using the CinC name and silly stuff like dog eating...then read your last post. You laid out your differences in policy, which is acceptable, and it's encouraged, as long as you are out of uniform and not leading the charge. Definitely cool for a board like this.

As an NCO/Officer try to describe your differences by sticking to policy...and leave us dog-eaters alone.
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Ok, seems like just yesterday you were an E4, congratulations on the promotion and joining the NCO ranks. Keep it up. Go back in this thread and read your blatant disrespectful tone, using the CinC name and silly stuff like dog eating...then read your last post. You laid out your differences in policy, which is acceptable, and it's encouraged, as long as you are out of uniform and not leading the charge. Definitely cool for a board like this.

As an NCO/Officer try to describe your differences by sticking to policy...and leave us dog-eaters alone.
I know we both served and we have two different point of views but I wont let politics interfere with my mission our job on hand! "All soldiers our entitled to outstanding leadership, I will provide that leadership"
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I know we both served and we have two different point of views but I wont let politics interfere with my mission our job on hand! "All soldiers our entitled to outstanding leadership, I will provide that leadership"
I fully agree, and nice implementation of the creed. You see, you will always know a secret that most people, who never serves, will not understand. You will also, always be viewed differently. Off my soapbox with all that.

Still, we aren't that different. I normally vote for the veterans (Bush over Gore, then Kerry over Bush...I did not vote McCain over Obama though). I was one of the guys that got sucked into the previous administration's wave of 'Faith based initiatives' due to my beliefs. I also have an issue with supply side economics (aka Trickle Down Economics), because we fail to calculate greed into that equation.

Then, there is demand side economics which also has merit. Imagine if we took aaaalllllll that bailout money, broke it down and gave it to every person that earns a W2 or 1099 (at least every HoH), would that stimulate the economy just as fast or faster? Much more, but the two sides in general are not as far apart as you may think. Thats why I have my own criteria for who in vote into office. So far Clinton and Obama are the only two I voted for who did not serve, McCain was just too far out there, and old (I know) to get my vote...not to mention the history that was made.

After a while you realize that voting becomes (as one of our members used to say), "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
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I'm not that young in the military...I'm a non commissioned officer, I just don't want to have to worry if I'm gonna get paid because of government shut down, I want our government spending not to be out of control, I want someone to approve the pipeline( think about it lf we produce 50 percent of our oil instead of 17 percent gas prices go down)I don't mind people comming here legally but when they come illegally I have a problem with it. This is the worst debt of all time. I just got back from deployment, I have the right to worry about what I'm fighting for! Eating dogs is not a typical American I don't think. I could be wrong.
Technically, approval of the pipeline does nothing for US production of oil.. It just allows Canada to be able to get it to refineries and ports along the Gulf.. It's still Canadian oil.
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But see here is the problem with this line of thought: not every person who works like this will see the fruits of their labor. In fact by definition unless they are hourly employees, every hour that you work beyond the full-time week is fruit you are giving away for free. If you ran a business the way you work you would go out of business in a matter of months unless you had a huge reserve of cash. Why would any business give away thousands upon thousands of dollars in labor for only a potential return on investment of pennies on the dollar? It's a losing proposition. The companies you work for of course accept it (it's completely free labor!) and many now have come to expect it which is astounding that so many people are willing to give up their time for nothing.

I can almost guarantee you that if you add up the time spent working for free, that overwhelmingly outweighs the benefit received -- otherwise the business would never make that decision to give the benefit that outweighs the labor involved. For some things (startups, looking for investment capital, potential sale of a product) the benefits can outweigh the time lost but for the majority of cases just working an extra 10-15 hours a week for XYZ company to meet a deadline on installing a new system will result in a bonus/raise that is fractions less than the money lost in the extra work. And yet so many people work all this extra time because it is expected or on the potential future payment that won't nearly cover what was lost.
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Like I said, if knocking down your 40 a week provides you with what you need, that's fine. If not, don't let the government act as your proxy to take the fruit of someone else's labor to fit you idea of a "fair share". Just quit complaining about the people that pay almost 40% of the tax burden while earning only about 20% of the income. I'll ask you again, what is their fair share, in you mind. Would them paying 1/2 the freight make you happy? How about 60%, I mean what is your number.
The reason why top earners pay a disproportionate amount of taxes, is because their income keeps growing disproportionately. But the top income tax rate is lower than its been in generations! That's not an opinion, its a fact. Tax revenue collections would be more spread out among earners if wealth distribution was more equal. Ask what is my number, I would say lets at least go back to what it was under Reagan, that's a start. Yet somehow its socialism now to revert to a tax rate that USA had 30 years ago. That's funny, I didn't know that the United States was a communist country from WWII through the Clinton years.
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