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Old 03-06-2012, 10:40 PM   #31
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what am i missing in re. to IAH? That's the airport i usually fly out of (Continental specifically) and i just don't see any difference, better or worse, between it and other airports i've gone through.. is it the fact that you usually have to walk a long way to get to your flight? I guess i don't mind that, since i can use the exercise.. And there are actually some decent food places there.
The walking is part of the reason. I've nearly missed connecting flights a couple of times because of that. The lighting was weak and the interior was bland. Their food selection is at least reasonable, but not great.
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I don't think that the fact that New Orleans isn't a major hub is a reason to have a crappy airport. MCO also isn't a major hub (MIA is the big hub for Latin America-bound flights), and it's also basically at a dead-end even more than New Orleans. Yet the city still has a state of the art airport. RDU also isn't a hub, but they've just rebuilt one terminal and are in the middle of rebuilding the other.

Whether you're a hub or not, when you're a major tourist destination (or business/research destination in the case of RDU), you have no excuse not to have a modern airport. In fact, having a modern airport (and lowering the fees, improving management, etc.) could do a lot to make New Orleans a regional hub. There's no reason flights to Latin America and the Caribbean should go through IAH, ATL, or MIA, for example, instead of New Orleans. There's no reason the city shouldn't have direct flights to SFO, LAX, etc. and regional connecting flights to Jackson, Mobile, Pensacola, Shreveport, Alexandria, etc. But the completely inadequate airport keeps any of that from happening.

Like so many other infrastructure problems in Louisiana, I might add. At least you can finally drive on most interstate highways in the state without the ba-doom, ba-doom, ba-doom, ba-doom bumps every few feet from the pavement being laid down in sections with big cracks in between....
MIA (and FLL) gets the bulk of their traffic not from Latin America, but cruise lines. MIA is also losing business because of their high operating costs. There is a lot of very nice, but empty space there right now. FLL is taking away a lot of business. Most recently, Alaska Airlines announced they are pulling their flights out of MIA and moving to FLL.

What it takes of forward thinking, a well managed revenue source (PFCs) and a plan. I have seen a entire sheet of projects for the FLL airport and when one is completed, another is just added to the list. It's perpetual.
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What it takes of forward thinking, a well managed revenue source (PFCs) and a plan. I have seen a entire sheet of projects for the FLL airport and when one is completed, another is just added to the list. It's perpetual.





off-topic, but i just realized that- living where you do-- you are going to be perfectly situated when LSU plays in the BCS Championship next year.
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Didn't nagin want to build an airport in a swamp between Laplace and Kenner or something? What a nutt bag.
I think its a great proposal.
The idea is a cargo airport. It always seemed crazy to me that Dallas/Ft. Worth was making more money off international trade than New Orleans/southeast Louisiana. The reason is their intermodal transportation center, and more specifically the Alliance airport in Ft. Worth. Whcih was the model for the airport in Donaldsonville.
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Vegas airport is nothing to brag about.
I disagree. The baggage claim area is well designed with monitors showing your flight number and carousel number. Transportation options are well marked with good signage.

They are building a new terminal and remodeling another so construction may impact your options. For such a tourist destination, Vegas does a good job with their airport.

You still pay 12 bucks for a Popeyes 3 piece combo, but that is standard for all airports.
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drob, if you get a chance, scan and post those maps, that sounds cool. Why New Orleans doesn't have a train system across the city is beyond me. It would be so nice. The train systems in Chicago, NYC, and SLC from the city to the airport are great, and are more environmentally friendly than a cab, so its a win win.
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This is stupid drob. Why are we not seeing any of those lines now? Think how helpful those tracks would be to people in those pockets of the city. We really could become a green city if we had those trains.

Is it the taxi, and bus salesmen that are trying to keep these ideas of coming to fruition?
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Its not the nicest airport i've seen, but its not the worst either. I would call it functional, but not fancy. I think the main "issue" with the airport is it is not a major hub for any airline. I can't fly to MSY directly from the west coast. I have to go through either Denver, Chicago, Salt Lake or Atlanta. With a major hub, there really isn't much of a reason for it to be more than it is, its pretty much just a glorified regional airport.

btw, the worst terminal i've ever seen, was Dullus in Washington DC. Course the Continental region terminal in Houston is pretty bad too.
Agree with most of this but there were direct flights out of L.A. To New Orleans a year ago.
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MSY was built for international travel...heck it was the first international terminal in the USA (look it up), but thanks to politicians just pocketing money, and not advancing the airport over time, you saw MSY get outdated, and passed over like Melanie Griffiths.


I think if we built up that airport, made it more travler friendly, and added railcars all over the city, qulity of life, and income would abound from it. Sure it would tick off cabies, and the guys selling the city buses, but so what?
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what am i missing in re. to IAH? That's the airport i usually fly out of (Continental specifically) and i just don't see any difference, better or worse, between it and other airports i've gone through.. is it the fact that you usually have to walk a long way to get to your flight? I guess i don't mind that, since i can use the exercise.. And there are actually some decent food places there.
the terminal for their regional commuter flights is like a crowded cramped train station. Not their main terminal.
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Agree with most of this but there were direct flights out of L.A. To New Orleans a year ago.
I fly out of Portland PDX. Very nice airport, but it doesn't have all the direct flights that SeaTac and LAX have.
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MSY was built for international travel...heck it was the first international terminal in the USA (look it up), but thanks to politicians just pocketing money, and not advancing the airport over time, you saw MSY get outdated, and passed over like Melanie Griffiths.


I think if we built up that airport, made it more travler friendly, and added railcars all over the city, qulity of life, and income would abound from it. Sure it would tick off cabies, and the guys selling the city buses, but so what?
When i went to Minniapolas last year, they have a train that goes from the airport, to the mall of america, to the metrodome, to their baseball stadium and downtime. its pretty awsome. NOLA would do well to put one in that stops at the superdome, the CBD, and the end of canal street by Harah's.

but yeh, your right, the cab drivers would throw a huge fit i bet.
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Jeff, I agree. That same type of system is set up in Chicago, and it has helped me kill time in more than a few instances.

I understand why cab drivers would get upset, but heck these are the same guys threatening to strike the week of the Final Four, if they don't get certain accomidations from the city. Sometimes a little push is good for progress, and if the cab folks like it or not, they arent the end of transportation from the airport to your detination.

I just think the city could be a lot greener, and add a huge experience to somebody visiting the city for the first time.
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This is stupid drob. Why are we not seeing any of those lines now? Think how helpful those tracks would be to people in those pockets of the city. We really could become a green city if we had those trains.
The problem is that the up-front costs to install new lines are incredibly expensive. From what I've read, creating a new nine-block long track down Loyola Avenue from the Amtrak/Greyhound station to Canal Street will somehow cost in the neighborhood of $40 million. I think that ridiculous cost is due to some particular problems involving the tracks being placed over an old filled-in canal, but even in ideal conditions it's not cheap and more money won't be pouring in from the city, state or federal governments to fund these kinds of infrastructure projects in this political environment.

Those tracks WERE all there, in New Orleans and in cities across the country, but for whatever it's worth the story is that General Motors systematically purchased and dismantled streetcar systems across the entire country in order to replace them with buses. For an overview, see

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This is stupid drob. Why are we not seeing any of those lines now? Think how helpful those tracks would be to people in those pockets of the city. We really could become a green city if we had those trains.

Is it the taxi, and bus salesmen that are trying to keep these ideas of coming to fruition?
It really is a shame all of them were taken down with the exception of the St Charles line. Back in the 30s/40s/50s the buses that replaced them were seen as the "future" -- they were supposed to be faster and have airconditioning.

Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of a streetcar revival in the city - the Loyola line looks promising, and the Rampart/St Claude line will be fantastic for the Marigny/Baywater/St Roch neighborhoods.

This isn't a streetcar/tram, but Veolia (who is contracted by the RTA to run the buses) runs a free bus system in Baltimore called Charm City Circulator. It's a great way to get around the downtown and harbor area. I think something like that could be extremely popular in the Warehouse District/CBD/FQ/Marigny. Home | Charm City Circulator
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