I'm taking it their is an over abundance of liberals on this site..
Shocking because most of the forums I look at are mostly GOP. Lol
I consider myself conservative and am a registered Republican, but Santorum winning the nomination would not be a good thing for the GOP. It would show that we care more about enforcing Christian beliefs on society as a whole than we do about effectively facilitating constructive changes in Washington.
This stuff about selling federal lands is just nonsense to appease his contributor (singular), who happens to be a sexist pig...as does Santorum.
I should have scrolled a bit further down, I guess. I know the guy was making a joke, but at the same time if you want to be taken seriously...
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I'm taking it their is an over abundance of liberals on this site..
Shocking because most of the forums I look at are mostly GOP. Lol
Historically, this forum is overwhelmingly conservative. The problem is that they either cannot articulate their positions very well or they know that the actions of the conservative political leaders today cannot be defended. I tend to lean towards the second because in my experience, they're intelligent people who don't fall lockstep behind conservative leaders simply because they're not Democrats. They also open to the idea that Republican isn't always good and Democrat isn't always bad.
8 years of GWBush followed by 4 years of GOP leadership under Obama makes everyone look like a liberal, even the Republicans...
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I actually would prefer to describe myself as "conservative". The inherent problem is the meanings of "liberal" and "conservative", in the overall political discourse in the US, are so warped and saddled with extra connotations as to make any discussion of your political values overly prone to misinterpretation.
I prefer "smart" over either. My distaste for both labels is equal.
I blame Republicans, mostly. They stopped being "conservative" in the 70's, but still lay claim to the label. It's been so misused, the definition has been permanently altered. They also turned the word "liberal" into a derogatory term. This nation was founded by people with bold ideas, ready to make changes that could either change their circumstances for the better or worse and cared about the well-being of their fellow man. No one really knew how it would turn out, but they didn't sit there like *****s because they were scared of change.
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I prefer "smart" over either. My distaste for both labels is equal.
I blame Republicans, mostly. They stopped being "conservative" in the 70's, but still lay claim to the label. It's been so misused, the definition has been permanently altered. They also turned the word "liberal" into a derogatory term. This nation was founded by people with bold ideas, ready to make changes that could either change their circumstances for the better or worse and cared about the well-being of their fellow man. No one really knew how it would turn out, but they didn't sit there like *****s because they were scared of change.
Smaller population had a lot to do with the bold statement.
Today we are more selfish and less caring. We have become a " what have you done for me lately" and "what do I get out of this" along with "I want it now" mob.
Tags such as Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, and Conservatives are just a coat a wolf can put on to suit his or her needs.
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If someone put a gun to my head and told me to cheer for the Falcons or die, I'd just ask him to make it a quick, clean shot.
I prefer "smart" over either. My distaste for both labels is equal.
I blame Republicans, mostly. They stopped being "conservative" in the 70's, but still lay claim to the label. It's been so misused, the definition has been permanently altered. They also turned the word "liberal" into a derogatory term. This nation was founded by people with bold ideas, ready to make changes that could either change their circumstances for the better or worse and cared about the well-being of their fellow man. No one really knew how it would turn out, but they didn't sit there like *****s because they were scared of change.
Well classical liberalism is simply the belief in individual and equal freedoms ("liberty"). Ergo, classically speaking, our founder fathers were decidedly liberal. "Social liberalism" is an expansion on the basic ideas of classical liberalism to include things like economic "liberty", social "liberty", etc. The origins of the modern usage of "liberal" here in the US is rooted in this expansion of the term which occurred from the populism of the late 19th century reaching it's apex under FDR when modern American political thinking began to reach it's current incarnation.
One of the primary "modern conservative" thinkers, William Buckley Jr., defined "conservatism" as a reaction against the expansion of liberalism. In otherwords, the intellectual conception of "conservatism" is one of fighting against an expansion of the definition of liberty to include things like social justice. Not because they want "less liberty" but because they view "social liberalism" as actually encroaching on liberty.
Confusing, I know. Let my try an "in otherwords" and see if that helps
In otherwords, everyone technically belongs to the classical liberal traditional. We are, generally, all "classical liberals" who believe in things like free speech, political equality, etc. "Social liberals", also simply known as "liberals", believe in an expanding definition of "liberty" to include non-classical ideas such as social justice, economic equality, etc, while "conservatives" take a "conservative" view on liberty, restricting in more closely to classical liberal ideas.
That's how it's supposed to play out at least, intellectually. Obviously this discussion has been severely clouded though over the past few decades.
Well classical liberalism is simply the belief in individual and equal freedoms ("liberty"). Ergo, classically speaking, our founder fathers were decidedly liberal. "Social liberalism" is an expansion on the basic ideas of classical liberalism to include things like economic "liberty", social "liberty", etc. The origins of the modern usage of "liberal" here in the US is rooted in this expansion of the term which occurred from the populism of the late 19th century reaching it's apex under FDR when modern American political thinking began to reach it's current incarnation.
One of the primary "modern conservative" thinkers, William Buckley Jr., defined "conservatism" as a reaction against the expansion of liberalism. In otherwords, the intellectual conception of "conservatism" is one of fighting against an expansion of the definition of liberty to include things like social justice. Not because they want "less liberty" but because they view "social liberalism" as actually encroaching on liberty.
Confusing, I know. Let my try an "in otherwords" and see if that helps
In otherwords, everyone technically belongs to the classical liberal traditional. We are, generally, all "classical liberals" who believe in things like free speech, political equality, etc. "Social liberals", also simply known as "liberals", believe in an expanding definition of "liberty" to include non-classical ideas such as social justice, economic equality, etc, while "conservatives" take a "conservative" view on liberty, restricting in more closely to classical liberal ideas.
That's how it's supposed to play out at least, intellectually. Obviously this discussion has been severely clouded though over the past few decades.
No, liberals are the Muslim-loving scum that want to take our guns and make us get gay married.
Conservatives want to keep their guns so they can shoot Muslims and gay people.
There was a "pole" once and if I remember there were more R's than D's. Luckily amongst all the "my team is better than your team" bs, is an underlying understanding that you have to back up your point with fact at some point.
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There was a "pole" once and if I remember there were more R's than D's. Luckily amongst all the "my team is better than your team" bs, is an underlying understanding that you have to back up your point with fact at some point.
And, therefore, the less than equal representation of "conservatives" noticed by the poster.
Simply put, the "conservatives" tend to not be able to justify or account for their statements so they're drive by posting don't tend to stick around for long. The persistent and consistent pop in and out, but generally the "conservative" side of these arguments is represented by people who aren't actually conservative and don't understand and can't elaborate on the Foxisms they pass off as points. Those intellectually capable and consistent - true conservatives - who haunt this place tend to be so disgusted by what passes as the "conservative" party simply don't and won't argue on its behalf.
jmho.
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And, therefore, the less than equal representation of "conservatives" noticed by the poster.
Simply put, the "conservatives" tend to not be able to justify or account for their statements so they're drive by posting doesn't tend to stick around for long. The persistent and consistent pop in and out, but generally the "conservative" side of these arguments is represented by people who aren't actually conservative and don't understand and can't elaborate on the Foxisms they pass off as points. Those intellectually capable and consistent - true conservatives - who haunt this place tend to be so disgusted by what passes as the "conservative" party simply don't and won't argue on its behalf.
Its so cute how billionaires can now have their own pet politicians. Thanks supreme court.
Yep. Santorum is just the latest in a very long line of bought-and-paid-for politicians whose allegiance is not to the electorate. We have the best congress money can buy.
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