For Those of You Who Plan to Vote for Obama..

[wcklink]

Originally Posted by dtradin

I'll pay my extra 4 points. Will you?

You can do this today. You're an economist, calculate your 4% and send a check to the treasury. I already give ~10% of my income to my selected charities and feel they will do a better job of helping people with that money than the government. The extra 4% will impact that contribution.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by wcklink

You can do this today. You're an economist, calculate your 4% and send a check to the treasury. I already give ~10% of my income to my selected charities and feel they will do a better job of helping people with that money than the government. The extra 4% will impact that contribution.

I would be willing to bet $10,000 that you don't give anywhere near 10% of your gross income to anything.

Just saying.

[El Caliente]

I'm willing to bet, if you are willing to make a $10,000 bet with someone, you have little room to talk about Mitt Romney being out of touch with society due to his making $10,000 bets.

[El Caliente]

Originally Posted by texasjefe

This aint about what I believe, this is fact. Nor is this about what you learned in a high school class about their faith in Christ or Christian principles. Go research what I stated if you think I'm blowing smoke. I'm a Jewish guy and Mitt is on record with statements that he has posthumously converted Jews to Mormonism. That is psycho-pathological and beyond creepy. Mitt is a descendant of one of the earliest followers of Joseph Smith. And LDS was again rebuked by Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel in the past six weeks for posthumously converting Holocaust victims. They do not deny it.

Just because you probably may only see the surface Mitt as the Bain capital wealthy guy who completely cloaks his religious behavior doesn't mean that other people aren't paying closer attention.

And as for LDS, they, in Utah, have dumped millions of dollars in California over the past three years to defeat Prop 8. These people are meddlers behaviorally in their civic context.

I guess some people didn't get the memo, or weren't offended enough by Romney baptizing deceased Jews.

Major Jewish Donors to Obama in 2008 Now Giving to Romney Super PAC | TheBlaze.com

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

I'm willing to bet, if you are willing to make a $10,000 bet with someone, you have little room to talk about Mitt Romney being out of touch with society due to his making $10,000 bets.

i didn't realize that dtradin was running for public office.

[El Caliente]

I didn't realize a half joking wager was something to get up in arms about, or is it just his wealth? I am so confused as to why people are anti Romney these days.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

I didn't realize a half joking wager was something to get up in arms about, or is it just his wealth? I am so confused as to why people are anti Romney these days.

I've never said a word about Romney being out of touch based on his wealth or $10k bet, but that's exactly why I picked the number.

Whatever the case, Romney is out of touch. It's an objective fact that someone whose friends own Nascar and NFL teams has 9 houses and $400 milllion is out of touch, but that's not his biggest problem.

His biggest problem is that he's a liar who flip flops like a cracked out mullet out of water. Frankly, for a guy who claims religion as his cornerstone, the amount of direct, factual lying coming out of his campaign is incredible. From the blatant mis-quoting of Obama and his opponents to his Orwellian newspeak on his positions, it's amazing you guys are voting for him. Sick.

[El Caliente]

I thought he claimed the economy and being a solid businessman as his keystone, but like I have said you learn something new on this board every day. They day I hear Mitt desiring to be the Pastor of the United States and not the President is the day I will quit supporting him.

As for the lying and flip flopping, what did you say about John Kerry when he did that (for pointers)? You got to give him one thing, when Tommy Tucker interviewed the candidates Mitt was the only one who said he hadn't done any research on coastal erosion, and that he would get back to Tommy on it, while the other guys tried sticking to their talking points. Can't say he is flip flopping on that.

[drob8785]

Originally Posted by wcklink

And you don't get much more confiscating all income above 250K. As I've stated until I'm blue in the face, we have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem.

Says the guy with a "proud 53%er" signature, and who just spent the past several posts railing about how the poor people of America are not paying their fair share, which explains the deficit.



And actually you are completely wrong about the distribution of wealth in this country. If we take EVERYTHING from the top 25% wealthiest Americans, we'd confiscate around $49.41 TRILLION. Compare that to the $700 BILLION you'd get from taking everything the bottom 50% own.

Of course wealth is different from income, but the two are highly related to each other. Similar numbers can be produced by looking at tax rates.

If the government is truly interested in cutting the deficit and debt, they'd realize that the best way is a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts.

Real meaningful hikes and cuts -- none of this "tax the poor" or "cut NPR" junk. That is just partisan politics.

This is why I will most likely not be voting for Romney in November, despite voting for McCain in 08. It isn't so much that Obama has earned my vote, it's that the GOP has lost it by proving that they are more interested in playing politics than really fixing our country.

[dtc]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

I thought he claimed the economy and being a solid businessman as his keystone, but like I have said you learn something new on this board every day. They day I hear Mitt desiring to be the Pastor of the United States and not the President is the day I will quit supporting him.

As for the lying and flip flopping, what did you say about John Kerry when he did that (for pointers)? You got to give him one thing, when Tommy Tucker interviewed the candidates Mitt was the only one who said he hadn't done any research on coastal erosion, and that he would get back to Tommy on it, while the other guys tried sticking to their talking points. Can't say he is flip flopping on that.

I wouldn't vote for John Kerry because I didn't believe he was sincere in his positions.

I don't recall him running national TV ads directly misquoting the President of the United States as Romney has done with the Obama quote of McCain saying "if we talk about the economy we'll lose."

[Beast]

Originally Posted by dtradin

His biggest problem is that he's a liar who flip flops like a cracked out mullet out of water.

He's kinda like an Etch-A-Sketch..

[AppleSaint]

Originally Posted by wcklink

As I've stated until I'm blue in the face, we have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem.

Our deficit and debts can be traced to the fact that spending on entitlement programs and defense has shot up, and tax revenues have plummeted to their lowest level in decades. But spending on domestic discretionary programs has grown much more slowly. And, if you correct for inflation, and for growing population, it turns out we're spending exactly the same amount on these programs as we were a full decade ago....

"Although non-defense discretionary spending in nominal dollars has increased, when taking inflation and population growth into account the amount contained in the [2011 budget] represents no increase over what we spent in 2001, a year in which we generated a surplus of $128 billion," said chairman Daniel Inouye (D-HI) in a prepared statement. "So the right question to ask is: Are we really spending too much on non-defense programs? The answer is clearly no."

...In the wake of the Bush tax cuts, and the Great Recession, tax revenue has fallen through the floor to near-historic lows. As a percentage of GDP, it's fallen 24 percent since 2001, and if you correct for inflation, the government is collecting nearly 20 percent less per person than it was a decade ago. At the same time, the population-adjusted costs of mandatory spending programs—driven by Medicare, including its new prescription drug benefit, and Medicaid—have increased by over 30 percent. And, of course, defense spending has skyrocketed. But if you isolate domestic discretionary programs, a decade later we're spending no more on a per-person basis than we were back then.

CHART OF THE DAY: ‘Out Of Control Spending’ Not Really Out Of Control At All | TPMDC

[El Caliente]

Originally Posted by dtradin

I wouldn't vote for John Kerry because I didn't believe he was sincere in his positions.

I don't recall him running national TV ads directly misquoting the President of the United States as Romney has done with the Obama quote of McCain saying "if we talk about the economy we'll lose."

So did you vote for Bush or just abstain from voting?

See the thing is, every politician lies, its just a matter of which lies are more offensive to you that make you believe somebody is a bigger liar than somebody else. I am sure plenty of people in the Louisiana Gulf Coast are up in arms because the hasn't done as much to help with coastal erosion or repairing the gulf as he promised. To some that might make him a bigger liar.

With regards to misquoting people, really? Do you follow politics? Is this not what everyone does? Call it misquoting, call it taking out of context, they all do it. I mean heck, look at beast's post (2 posts above this one). He probably thinks Romney said that he can etch-a-sketch his campaign (which is actually true since nobody is attacking a grease fire the same way they are attacking a regular class a fire, because while they are both fires, they both require different actions to get the right result). Romney didn't say it, but his opponents are going on about it like it came out of his mouth, when it came out of an aids mouth.

[wcklink]

Originally Posted by dtradin

I would be willing to bet $10,000 that you don't give anywhere near 10% of your gross income to anything.

Just saying.

Well, you would be right and wrong. I give based on my net, not gross pay. I mean it's clear by every measure the conservatives give substantially more to charity than the "party of the poor and working class". Please don't judge me by your standards, thank you.

I actually know quite a few people that feel and do as I do, as I guess you must not. There was a time in my life that I would have never have done anything like this, but have my 2nd wife to thank for helping me understand. I feel that giving what I do is being returned to me many times over.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

So did you vote for Bush or just abstain from voting?

See the thing is, every politician lies, its just a matter of which lies are more offensive to you that make you believe somebody is a bigger liar than somebody else. I am sure plenty of people in the Louisiana Gulf Coast are up in arms because the hasn't done as much to help with coastal erosion or repairing the gulf as he promised. To some that might make him a bigger liar.

With regards to misquoting people, really? Do you follow politics? Is this not what everyone does? Call it misquoting, call it taking out of context, they all do it. I mean heck, look at beast's post (2 posts above this one). He probably thinks Romney said that he can etch-a-sketch his campaign (which is actually true since nobody is attacking a grease fire the same way they are attacking a regular class a fire, because while they are both fires, they both require different actions to get the right result). Romney didn't say it, but his opponents are going on about it like it came out of his mouth, when it came out of an aids mouth.

Romney may not have said it, but the lead of his campaign did.. If I'm running for an office such as President of the United States, you better believe I'm going to make sure staffers don't misrepresent me.. The fact that it even came out of his mouth makes me believe they've had that discussion.. And if they've had that discussion, then Romney really will say whatever to whomever in order to get their vote..