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Old 02-17-2012, 11:50 AM   #1
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What is the American Dream

I have heard several people on this board say that the American Dream was dead. I had no idea, it was possible to kill a dream (because if so I could definitely use somebody getting rid of the clowns in my head). But what is the American dream to you? Is it alive? is it dead?

I for one think its alive. Until i am stripped of my free agency and am able to make something for myself, I think it is alive.
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its alive until a governing body tells me i cannot pursue happiness any longer because they have other plans for my life.

earning my own way, being able to travel freely and feel safe voiceing my opinions without gov. retaliation is all i need in regards to the happiness guaranteed by the founders of this country.

there are some threads of BTL that could be included in said pursuit but i dont think ill get gov approval for the go ahead of those pursuits -
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I have heard several people on this board say that the American Dream was dead. I had no idea, it was possible to kill a dream (because if so I could definitely use somebody getting rid of the clowns in my head). But what is the American dream to you? Is it alive? is it dead?

I for one think its alive. Until i am stripped of my free agency and am able to make something for myself, I think it is alive.
Isn't the cliche American dream the husband and wife, 2.5 kids, house with a white picket fence, golden retriever, and matching jogging suits? LOL

Personally, I feel that the dream is different for everyone. I have a house (no fence), a dog (fat terrier, as you can see from my avatar), a job, a vehicle that gets me where I need to go, food and beer in the fridge, and because I don't have the husband and kids, I can pretty much go and do as I please. Pretty damn sweet if you ask me lol. Now if I could just score the winning lottery numbers and season tickets I'd be set for life.
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That's the problem with those pesky non-physical emotions/concepts.

Makes "winning" the War on "Terror" and "Drugs" difficult to do. Same with "killing" the American Dream.

I believe the phrase I've used recently on the PDB was that it was a "lie," not that it was "dead" (although someone might be able to dig up something where I wrote that).

Let's go ahead and use Jindal's definition of the American Dream, which I think is a pretty common one. I'm paraphrasing from his recent CPAC speech:
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In America, everyone is entitled to the same opportunities, not the same outcomes.
I think that's a fairly good (if not right-wing) example of the American Dream.

I call it a lie because it's just not true - all Americans aren't getting the same opportunities. And data has shown that the opportunities to move "up" in the world have grown fewer and fewer over the past 30 years. I'm in my 20s - and my generation is less socio-economically mobile than my parents' or grandparents' generations were.
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If you are truly interested in the history and evolution of the "American Dream" (it hasn't always been one of self fulfillment), I highly recommend this book by Jim Cullen

Amazon.com: The American Dream: A Short History of an Idea that Shaped a Nation (9780195173253): Jim Cullen: Books
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That's the problem with those pesky non-physical emotions/concepts.

Makes "winning" the War on "Terror" and "Drugs" difficult to do. Same with "killing" the American Dream.

I believe the phrase I've used recently on the PDB was that it was a "lie," not that it was "dead" (although someone might be able to dig up something where I wrote that).

Let's go ahead and use Jindal's definition of the American Dream, which I think is a pretty common one. I'm paraphrasing from his recent CPAC speech:


I think that's a fairly good (if not right-wing) example of the American Dream.

I call it a lie because it's just not true - all Americans aren't getting the same opportunities. And data has shown that the opportunities to move "up" in the world have grown fewer and fewer over the past 30 years. I'm in my 20s - and my generation is less socio-economically mobile than my parents' or grandparents' generations were.
You just need to get yourself a set of bootstraps. I hear you can pull yourself up with them, or something.
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Isn't the cliche American dream the husband and wife, 2.5 kids, house with a white picket fence, golden retriever, and matching jogging suits? LOL

Personally, I feel that the dream is different for everyone. I have a house (no fence), a dog (fat terrier, as you can see from my avatar), a job, a vehicle that gets me where I need to go, food and beer in the fridge, and because I don't have the husband and kids, I can pretty much go and do as I please. Pretty damn sweet if you ask me lol. Now if I could just score the winning lottery numbers and season tickets I'd be set for life.
This is the American dream. The opportunity to have a modest house, family (if desired), a job, a way to get to that job, food, and maybe some disposable income.

The American dream is NOT, as some seem to believe, that everyone has the chance to make a million dollars and live like a celebrity.
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The American dream is NOT, as some seem to believe, that everyone has the chance to make a million dollars and live like a celebrity.
a word to counter that position:

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The American Dream is the idea of living in a place where you can decide what to do with your life, and pursue happiness

We forget how simple that is, and how rare it is in some places, and we turn it into "financial security and a 3-bedroom house"

The American Dream is the idea that someone, anyone, can be whatever they want to be, regardless of their background, class, or creed

Some people have more hurdles than others - but keeping the Dream alive is about breaking boundaries and opening up opportunities for more people - in short, making the "bootstrap" culture a real thing

When we can legitimately tell people to pick themselves up by the bootstraps, and it's actually possible for everyone to do it through hard work and dedication, the American Dream will then be alive for everyone

But assigning a set of material possessions or a dollar amount to the ideal is a pathetic and shallow characterization of what a lot of people around the world would love to have

All those dudes swimming across the southern border? They're after that Dream
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Snookie
Aha!

But a counter to your counter: Snookie is anything but normal or average
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How many of us have/had grandparents that lived in one home their entire lives? People today are so caught up in bills that our grandparents played their cards right and saved their money.
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America is supposed to be the land of opportunity. Considering that opportunities for improving ones-self are dwindling (and have been for 10 years), I'd say the American Dream, while not dead, is definitely on life support.
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That's the problem with those pesky non-physical emotions/concepts.

Makes "winning" the War on "Terror" and "Drugs" difficult to do. Same with "killing" the American Dream.

I believe the phrase I've used recently on the PDB was that it was a "lie," not that it was "dead" (although someone might be able to dig up something where I wrote that).

Let's go ahead and use Jindal's definition of the American Dream, which I think is a pretty common one. I'm paraphrasing from his recent CPAC speech:


I think that's a fairly good (if not right-wing) example of the American Dream.

I call it a lie because it's just not true - all Americans aren't getting the same opportunities. And data has shown that the opportunities to move "up" in the world have grown fewer and fewer over the past 30 years. I'm in my 20s - and my generation is less socio-economically mobile than my parents' or grandparents' generations were.
maybe the most honest thing i have read on the PDB
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The American dream isn't dead for all but it isn't what many of us were told it was.

Typical modern story:

I recently signed a bid at work for Journeyman Mechanic (It pays $1.70 more than what I make now).

The boss got upset and asked me why. Said that they need me where I am.

I was prepared for him. I showed him my first (two week) paycheck after they let me run my own shift in May 1997 it was somewhere around $1,400. Then I showed him the first paycheck of February 1998. It was a little over $1,600. Then I showed him my first paycheck of February 2012 (I make $9 more per hour than in 1997) it was $1,500. Fifteen years later and I bring home about the same money. In that time I have earned an Associates, a Bachelors and a Masters degree in management for what amounts to $0 raise over 15 years. All of the "benefits" that were paid by the company in 1997-98 now cost me about $9 per hour. Funny how that works out.

Everything costs a lot more now than it did 15 years ago but my paycheck is exactly the same.

Hard work doesn't pay
Education doesn't pay (It costs a lot of money)

My 401k is worth over $100,000 less than I have contributed over those 15 years.

My house is worth the same now as it was 9 years ago when I bought it despite over $50,000 worth of repairs and upgrades.

The dream is there but it isn't what we thought it was.

My Grandfather lived it. Found a job with Cosden oil and bought as much company stock as the company matching plan allowed. One day the stock price hit a magic number and he told his broker to sell. The next day he was on his way to his home town to live out his days. Try that now and the company you work for will find a way to steal your money.

I used to tell kids to either become an engineer or go to medical school. Now engineering is being outsourced and soon technology will make medical school a waste of time and money too but for now its safe. Your best bet is to invent something and hope that somebody else hasn't already patented it if you want to make money.
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