Why all the :whitemad:?

[Saints318]

Why is it that anytime a white person or in this case Hispanic person kills a black person it's a hate crime, but when a black person kills a white person it's not?

[El Caliente]

Whitemad, or hemroids? You decide.

I have no dog in this fight (being Cuban and all), but I do find the term reverend to be a joke when referring to Al Sharpton, yet people seem to not understand what it means. Case and point

“White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”

Thats not very reverend like.

Or his take on history

“the worst criminals, the rejects they sent from Europe and sent them to the colonies." “So [if] some cracker,” he continued, “come and tell you ‘Well my mother and father blood go back to the Mayflower,’ you better hold you pocket. That ain’t nothing to be proud of, that means their forefathers was crooks.”

I am sure he is a nice guy to talk to, and I am sure like many pastors he has his own beliefs on Jesus and whatnot, but he still hasn't learned the simplest of lessons in forgiveness (I thought this was a must for Christians). Case and point The Tawna Brawley case. As he proceed to defame (publicly) the police department and those involved with the case, he never said "I am sorry. It was the heat of the moment." When she was found to be making the entire thing up.

Now he has done good things. He has lead a lot of initiatives that have generated good things, but he should just go by Al Sharpton, as opposed to Rev. Thats my own thing.

Jessie " "See, Barack's been, ahh, talking down to black people on this faith-based... I want to cut his nuts off." Jackson is another guy who could do without the title, but thats another issue all together.

[FatiusJeebs]

Originally Posted by Oye

you realize that they've done both, right?

When was the last Jewish riot? Where? And for what?

[El Caliente]

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

When was the last Jewish riot? Where? And for what?

Jesus and Barabas?

[N.O.Bronco]

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

When was the last Jewish riot? Where? And for what?

I like the implications you are making that black people are less civilized than Jewish people. And the arrogant attitude you project while underhandedly stating that opinion.

......and is google really a hard concept to grasp?


A quick search for "Jewish riots" turned up several articles on the first page alone. The first a 2008 incident reported in Haaretz that took place in acre Israel. Where a group of Jews beat an Arab man for driving on yom kippur. To which then a bunch of angry Jews and angry Arabs gathered and began hurling rocks. Both groups began rioting and the Jews began to make their way to town center chanting "death to Arabs" in an aim to confront some gathering Arabs in the city's center. Police seemingly eventually dispersed the rioters but not before a few injuries were sustained.

A second article chronicled hundreds of ultra orthodox Jewish men stoning police officers and rioting in Shabbat square over the building of an Israeli highway that they feel will pass over Jewish grave sites.

Below that a story of Jewish people rioting and many being arrested because of rioting which spurred when the police took into custody a mother who was accused of starving her child. Because the ultra orthodox Jews that started the riot believed it wasn't the laws job to tell a mother how to raise her child.



These examples are not to attack the Jewish community they are mainly used to make a point.


If for one second you think that the often times nonsensical and violent behavior perpetuated by a particular group, religion or race is unique to only that one race, one culture, one religion or one group then you are wholly ignorant of human nature.

[El Caliente]

Are Jews rioting in the Middle East the same as black people rioting in the USA?

Just a question, not trying to incite anything here.

[FatiusJeebs]

Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I like the implications you are making that black people are less civilized than Jewish people. And the arrogant attitude you project while underhandedly stating that opinion.

......and is google really a hard concept to grasp?


A quick search for "Jewish riots" turned up several articles on the first page alone. The first a 2008 incident reported in Haaretz that took place in acre Israel. Where a group of Jews beat an Arab man for driving on yom kippur. To which then a bunch of angry Jews and angry Arabs gathered and began hurling rocks. Both groups began rioting and the Jews began to make their way to town center chanting "death to Arabs" in an aim to confront some gathering Arabs in the city's center. Police seemingly eventually dispersed the rioters but not before a few injuries were sustained.

A second article chronicled hundreds of ultra orthodox Jewish men stoning police officers and rioting in Shabbat square over the building of an Israeli highway that they feel will pass over Jewish grave sites.

Below that a story of Jewish people rioting and many being arrested because of rioting which spurred when the police took into custody a mother who was accused of starving her child. Because the ultra orthodox Jews that started the riot believed it wasn't the laws job to tell a mother how to raise her child.



These examples are not to attack the Jewish community they are mainly used to make a point.


If for one second you think that the often times nonsensical and violent behavior perpetuated by a particular group, religion or race is unique to only that one race, one culture, one religion or one group then you are wholly ignorant of human nature.

Here is the difference...we live in a society that does what it can to perpetuate a problem that although may be alive....has gone down in prevalence. Whites and blacks dont fire rockets at each other on a daily basis. It is also clear that their differences are religious...here...it is PRESUMED to be racial and therefore...people act violently. Two very different circumstances. In the end....our society has a terrible habit of assuming....and acting upon assumptions. Jews have a clear reason to have issue with arabs...their issues have been going on FOREVER.....the white black issue is real....but we have made great strides to amend that...and yet....we see one side attack the other....assumptions are made....and violence is usually the answer. So no....this is not an accusation on ONE race of people...but in my lifetime....I'm not gonna deny the consistent behavior I see when these problems arise either.

[SaintBrad]

Originally Posted by El Caliente

Are Jews rioting in the Middle East the same as black people rioting in the USA?

Just a question, not trying to incite anything here.

Na, its mostly a religious war between the two.

[Superfan]

I wonder if Jesus is a black Jewish Arab or a white Jewish Arab

[V Chip]

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Jews have a clear reason to have issue with arabs...their issues have been going on FOREVER

So blacks don't have a clear reason to have issues with whites because their issues haven't gone on long enough (or vice versa)?

[N.O.Bronco]

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Here is the difference...we live in a society that does what it can to perpetuate a problem that although may be alive....has gone down in prevalence. Whites and blacks dont fire rockets at each other on a daily basis. It is also clear that their differences are religious...here...it is PRESUMED to be racial and therefore...people act violently. Two very different circumstances. In the end....our society has a terrible habit of assuming....and acting upon assumptions. Jews have a clear reason to have issue with arabs...their issues have been going on FOREVER.....the white black issue is real....but we have made great strides to amend that...and yet....we see one side attack the other....assumptions are made....and violence is usually the answer. So no....this is not an accusation on ONE race of people...but in my lifetime....I'm not gonna deny the consistent behavior I see when these problems arise either.

"At their core riots generally occur when groups have a sense of illegitimacy about how they are treated by others and where they see collective confrontation as the only means of redressing the situation. Indeed, by coming together in the crowd, people become empowered and can invert normal social relations."

You won't prevent future riots by disregarding the psychology of crowds | Steve Reicher and Clifford Stott | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Now if you go back and look at the examples I just gave you from various Israel riots - and unless you are frustratingly obtuse - you will see the connecting string in all of them.

In each incident Jews felt an injustice and an illegitimacy about how they were being treated or from the outcome of an event - for right or wrong - and saw collective confrontation as the means to redress that perceived situation.

It's the same during civil rights riots, the recent London riots - heck - even soccer riots.

Yes its also true a certain type of individual or individuals will latch on for various reasons or another - be it looting or a thirst for mayhem. And often times some or many see the lawlessness as an opportunity to strike out against an unrelated target that the majority of the group has no qualms about. Or as an opportunistic means for criminals to capitalize.


Humans are humans. We have way more similarities than differences, but to me it seems like you have used this thread to try and push forth the idea that certain races or groups(specifically American blacks) are just different then the rest of humanity and I have to begin wondering why proving that is so important to you(though maybe that's not your intent and you can correct me where I'm misreading your points)? Or why you continue to try and perpetuate that the manner in which people in the black community take up to rioting is less justified, less civil, and more condemnable than when other groups, races or religions do it(again maybe I'm misreading but your posts definitely comes off that way)?

[FatiusJeebs]

Originally Posted by V Chip

So blacks don't have a clear reason to have issues with whites because their issues haven't gone on long enough (or vice versa)?

The point I was trying to make Vchip is that the White black issue....and the jew arab issue...in my opinion...is night and day. The racial situation in this country may never go away completely...but...its not as old (i think with length of time comes an entrenchment of the issues in the minds of either side)....and...a clear attempt has been made to correct the situation. The jews and arabs have been at it for so long now....Im not sure how you could convince either side to have peace. Thats what I was trying to get at.

[IntenseSaint]

Originally Posted by V Chip

So blacks don't have a clear reason to have issues with whites because their issues haven't gone on long enough (or vice versa)?

It is rather puerile to quibble over who had it worse between peoples like Blacks, Native Americans, or Jews.

[Soundwave]

Members of my family were once enslaved by the Romans under the rule of Nero.

DEATH TO THE EMPIRE!

[coldseat]

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

The point I was trying to make Vchip is that the White black issue....and the jew arab issue...in my opinion...is night and day. The racial situation in this country may never go away completely...but...its not as old (i think with length of time comes an entrenchment of the issues in the minds of either side)....and...a clear attempt has been made to correct the situation. The jews and arabs have been at it for so long now....Im not sure how you could convince either side to have peace. Thats what I was trying to get at.

The constitution was ratified in 1788. Jim Crow laws ended in 1965. That's 177 years of the 224 years of this countries existence in which we were mired in slavery, segregation and overt racism. That's 79% of our time as a country and mind you it existed well before 1788 into the colonial period and we have struggled with it since the end of Jim Crow in 1965. You're saying that's not as significant in this countries history as the Jewish/Arab fighting in the middle east. That black people should just get over it because it's not existent anymore.

Maybe in the year 2142 you'll have a better agrument, at least then it will only be 50% of the countries history.