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Old 01-11-2017, 12:00 PM   #136
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HE referred to Putin and his "relationship" as an "asset. Not a liability"

Thats right folks....our POTUS refers to foreign relations as a balance sheet.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:01 PM   #137
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No, none of those details were at all in the serious media reporting or in my OP or concerns from the CNN article which was into none of that. It's a straw man to act like those were ever part of the article or the outrage. The first mention of the Buzz Feed crap came with skepticism by the person linking, and my reply of strong skepticism was the next post, and no one sense has taken it as more than drivel. The substance is in the presentation made by intelligence sources, not the strange manufactured long document.

The story and everything everyone besides you is discussing is a REAL 2 page synopsis presented to POTUS and PEOTUS and leaked to the media. None of it has sensationalized details in it. What it does have, and what the creation of the document means is that the charges are very serious.

Maybe I am missing something - but the New York Times has reported that the classified 2 page report was a summary of the memos. The unsubstantiated and inaccurate memos are the actual substance - not sure how you are separating the two.
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Okay, then what exactly is the new news here?
It cannot be that intelligence agencies had investigated or are investigating potential ties with Trump and Russia - we knew that months ago.
Goint back to your OP it seems the "news" here is the attempt by Russia to bribe and the direct collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia - both are sourced from the Buzzfeed memos, right?
Wrong. Nobody is talking about Buzzfeed. Only you!
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How has he been easily debunked, because maybe that's the disconnect that exist. I haven't read or heard any such thing.

It's been widely reported that the MI6 agent was doing opposition research. So there is obviously cause for skepticism on that point. It's also been widely reported that the MI6 agent has good sources in Russian, is well connected and has a history of providing/producing credible intelligence

So layout the debunked part for all of us!
the Trump's campaign's lawyer, Cohen, that supposedly visited Prague to collaborate with Russians.
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Wrong. Nobody is talking about Buzzfeed. Only you!
What is the substance then? What are the allegations that has people in this thread so excited?
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the Trump's campaign's lawyer, Cohen, that supposedly visited Prague to collaborate with Russians.
Where did that specific claim come from and how was it debunked?
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Okay, then what exactly is the new news here?
It cannot be that intelligence agencies had investigated or are investigating potential ties with Trump and Russia - we knew that months ago.
Goint back to your OP it seems the "news" here is the attempt by Russia to bribe and the direct collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia - both are sourced from the Buzzfeed memos, right?
Read the article and my OP with the highlighted statements and paragraphs. The fact that our official intelligence agencies felt this data had enough substance that it was worth reporting to Trump, knowing the repercussions, and leaking it to the press, knowing the repercussions. I simply cannot see what advantage they would gain by fabrication. The fact that the charges are serious enough that they require being brought to the attention of the outgoing and incoming POTUS means these are not likely to just be spitballing accusations. In fact, the summary comments that there was great skepticism when the British information was acquired over the Summer, but extensive vetting and working with more sources has confirmed the information as credible and reliable according to the report.

That in itself is shocking as hell, and needs no salacious made up details to make it a huge deal. If multiple people with the Trump campaign were coordinating with Russian operatives, that's not a minor detail.
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Maybe I am missing something - but the New York Times has reported that the classified 2 page report was a summary of the memos. The unsubstantiated and inaccurate memos are the actual substance - not sure how you are separating the two.
You are missing something. Those documents have nothing to do with the two page status summary included with the Russian hacking attempt. Only Buzz Feed made that claim. Everyone has said they think the BF crap is just that crap. So running around with "x from BF is debunked" is meaningless misdirection. You're getting gas lit.
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Trump just lost it. Unreal.
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What is the substance then? What are the allegations that has people in this thread so excited?
Buzzfeed is not the source of the original reporting. The original reporting on this specific story came from CNN. To date, that is what is being seriously discussed. The source of the story are the CIA report that where appended to the classified report that was presented to the president, presiden-elect and gang of eight. The source of the report are people with personal knowledge of that appended report.

We have no knowledge if what has been reported by Buzzfeed are the actual memos or not. Nobody taking this seriously is using that as their basis.
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Trump just lost it. Unreal.
Flat out refused a question from CNN and called them FAKE.
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And called the BBC a joke.

Also what the hell is up with in DUST tree said like it's three separate words with weird stress?
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The Buzzfeed stuff is just fun fodder for pee-pee jokes and an excuse for people to watch that Chappelle Show clip again
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Read the article and my OP with the highlighted statements and paragraphs. The fact that our official intelligence agencies felt this data had enough substance that it was worth reporting to Trump, knowing the repercussions, and leaking it to the press, knowing the repercussions. I simply cannot see what advantage they would gain by fabrication. The fact that the charges are serious enough that they require being brought to the attention of the outgoing and incoming POTUS means these are not likely to just be spitballing accusations. In fact, the summary comments that there was great skepticism when the British information was acquired over the Summer, but extensive vetting and working with more sources has confirmed the information as credible and reliable according to the report.

That in itself is shocking as hell, and needs no salacious made up details to make it a huge deal. If multiple people with the Trump campaign were coordinating with Russian operatives, that's not a minor detail.

I am not claiming anything in the 2 page classified report is fabricated. Intelligence agencies receive ton of unsubstantiated evidence, and reporting to various people, including President and PEOTUS, is not uncommon.

like the NYT I think it is certainly odd for the CIA to attach such a report to the larger briefing, but that is another story.

What is the extensive vetting you are talking about? The CNN article you posted clearly says the source were the memos that Buzzfeed published. Are you saying that is not true?
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