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Old 01-11-2017, 12:17 PM   #155
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Again, the pizza example. Is there a difference from "reporting" the story itself v. couching it as law enforcement ha informed Hillary Clinton that they are investigating claims that her associate (or her) is engaging in systematic child rape, give the details, and then say "these reports are unsubstantiated now"?
Yes, there is.

Reporting straight up that Hillary ran a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor vs. reporting that the police have informed her of an investigation into allegations of such a ring is very different.

The first is reporting a thing that never happened as if it actually did. The second is reporting a thing that actually happened with the caveat that there have been no arrests yet.
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Trump's making too many enemies. People say "oh the press doesn't matter, they're irrelevant" but every time he calls out a reporter in a press conference they're going to pull in their circle tighter and tighter and concert their efforts. They'll have him tied up in crap like this every single day he's in office until it wears him out.
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What is the extensive vetting you are talking about? The CNN article you posted clearly says the source were the memos that Buzzfeed published. Are you saying that is not true?
That's new and wasn't part of the article this morning. It has a note at the top that it's been edited to add information, and its mention of it acknowledges that the BF piece came out after the CNN article. CNN is pretty much saying on air as I'm typing that they consider it uncorroborated and not necessarily genuine. I don't know what to tell you, no one here has taken it seriously at all. The charges in the details of the actual summary document leaked to the press are damning absent any more detailed info.

The extensive vetting is the FBI and CIA looking at the material and accusations since August every day until the report, and only bringing it up to the level of an official memo now months later. The original article says they sought and found corroboration that the source was reliable and could be counted on for legitimate information.

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The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible.
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Oh my God.

Read the CNN report that Galbreath posted in the first post.

The 2 page classified report was a summary of the damn memos that Buzzfeed published.
You forgot to include this (it was the very next line, read a little further):

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At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations. But, in preparing this story, CNN has spoken to multiple high ranking intelligence, administration, congressional and law enforcement officials, as well as foreign officials and others in the private sector with direct knowledge of the memos.
Context!

Also, this is how the media responded to Buzzfeed:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/10/medi...-trump-report/
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That's new and wasn't part of the article this morning. It has a note at the top that it's been edited to add information, and its mention of it acknowledges that the BF piece came out after the CNN article. CNN is pretty much saying on air as I'm typing that they consider it uncorroborated and not necessarily genuine. I don't know what to tell you, no one here has taken it seriously at all. The charges in the details of the actual summary document leaked to the press are damning absent any more detailed info.

The extensive vetting is the FBI and CIA looking at the material and accusations since August every day until the report, and only bringing it up to the level of an official memo now months later. The original article says they sought and found corroboration that the source was reliable and could be counted on for legitimate information.
I am just trying to understand what you are saying, not trying to be chippy - are you saying that the summary - the classified 2 page summary - was not a summary of the memos that Buzzfeed published?
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I feel like I am in some bizarro Twilight Zone episode.

The White House has become a reality TV show. This is insanity.
well just to keep it rooted in reality tv...Trump ends his PEOTUS confrence with a "you're fired".

( speaking about sons taking over biz and if they dont do good job )
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You forgot to include this (it was the very next line, read a little further):



Context!
Context? Aren't you the one claiming that the Buzzfeed publication has nothing to do with this story?
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I am just trying to understand what you are saying, not trying to be chippy - are you saying that the summary - the classified 2 page summary - was not a summary of the memos that Buzzfeed published?
No, it was not. It was reported that it was a summary of a document. Buzz Feed claims to have "the document" with no credibility that it is the actual document.

Put it this way, it's like saying you have a credible report from a credible sports reporter that the Patriots have a stolen copy of a team's playbook. Many NFL sources, and a few anonymous team officials confirm that it's true. Then Deadspin publishes "the stolen playbook" that's full of ******** fake plays and turns out to be a forgery. That doesn't impugn the actual story reported by the original source. If one of the sources publishes during the initial hours after Deadspin releases the story "Update: Deadspin has published the playbook, but we can't corroborate that it's the actual playbook" doesn't mean that everything in the original reporting is suspect and reliant on the later ******** put out by a bad source.

The BF "document" didn't come out until after the initial news. The initial news was in no way based on their claimed version of the "document" as the real thing.
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No, it was not. It was reported that it was a summary of a document. Buzz Feed claims to have "the document" with no credibility that it is the actual document.

Put it this way, it's like saying you have a credible report from a credible sports reporter that the Patriots have a stolen copy of a team's playbook. Many NFL sources, and a few anonymous team officials confirm that it's true. Then Deadspin publishes "the stolen playbook" that's full of ********. That doesn't impugn the actual story reported by the original source. If one of the sources publishes during the initial hours after Deadspin releases the story "Update: Deadspin has published the playbook, but we can't corroborate that it's the actual playbook" doesn't mean that everything in the original reporting is suspect and reliant on the later ******** put out by a bad source.
Okay. So you think CNN, the New York Times, and others - have it wrong? What is the evidence for that?
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Context? Aren't you the one claiming that the Buzzfeed publication has nothing to do with this story?
I was admittedly behind the story, as it's continuing to develop. So I was seeking more information on Buzzfeed. But as of now, it just additional fodder. The appended report has more or less been corroborated. The memos Buzzfeed has published have not been. That is the basis for my comments.

PS, The Buzzfeed publication of the memos has nothing to do with the story. Unless it can be proven that those are the actual memos. Then, they would be part of the conversation. Why is this so hard for you? You seem really upset and unwilling to see the clear distinction and line of delineation.
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Okay. So you think CNN, the New York Times, and others - have it wrong? What is the evidence for that?
I don't think they have anything wrong. They say that BF claims the stuff they publish is the real document. Nothing in the initial reports is specific to that possible/probable forged memo. It provides a convenient deflection from prior reporting that didn't even traffic in any of the details or crap in what is probably not a legit document. The mentions by CNN and NYT both say BF "claims" it's the document, but that they are not corroborating that document's authenticity.

The authenticity of the later published BF "supposed" leaked document, doesn't have any bearing on earlier real articles about a real document that apparently has not been released or published or corroborated by any MSM news source. All of the MSM sources mentioning the BF "document" explicitly point out that they have not corroborated or confirmed its accuracy. The confirmed and corroborated accuracy of the two page document is not impugned by a non-MSM source putting out a click bait long document later.
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Context? Aren't you the one claiming that the Buzzfeed publication has nothing to do with this story?
We don't know that the document Buzzfeed published is the actual document that the story references. Clearly, Buzzfeed wants people to think it is, because their brand is dying and they are desperate for some notoriety.

This is the problem with the Buzzfeeds and Brietbarts of the world, because they have no scruples or standards they can just release whatever they want without an examination of their ethical responsiblity. Now it's out there and the real media kind of has no choice but to report on it. Truth be told, now that I better understand what the original story is all about, I think the Buzzfeed report is doing a real disservice to the greater story because it gives Trump impetus to just dismiss it all as "fake news". CNN is not fake news.
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I don't think they have anything wrong. They say that BF claims the stuff they publish is the real document. Nothing in the initial reports is specific to that possible/probable forged memo. It provides a convenient deflection from prior reporting that didn't even traffic in any of the details or crap in what is probably not a legit document. The mentions by CNN and NYT both say BF "claims" it's the document, but that they are not corroborating that document's authenticity.

The authenticity of the later published BF "supposed" leaked document, doesn't have any bearing on earlier real articles about a real document that apparently has not been released or published or corroborated by any MSM news source. All of the MSM sources mentioning the BF "document" explicitly point out that they have not corroborated or confirmed its accuracy. The confirmed and corroborated accuracy of the two page document is not impugned by a non-MSM source putting out a click bait long document later.
CNN reports that the 2 page classified report is a summary of the memos that Bzzfeed published. Again, to the link you post in the OP:
Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him - CNNPolitics.com

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CNN has reviewed a 35-page compilation of the memos, from which the two-page synopsis was drawn. The memos have since been published by Buzzfeed.
The New York Times has also referenced that the memos Buzzfeed published is the substance of the 2 page report:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/u...=top-news&_r=0

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• The president and president-elect were given a two-page report, but there is a much longer document on BuzzFeed. What’s the difference?

BuzzFeed made the controversial decision to publish the opposition research memos in full, despite the fact that their reporters had not confirmed or disproved the claims in them. The two-page document is a summary of the claims in the series of memos.
I don;t understand how you can say they are not wrong and at the same time say the classified report is not a summary of the memos Buzzfeed published.
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