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Old 01-11-2017, 08:45 AM   #91
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Russia and 4chan have said there is nothing to see here. How do such reliable statements not end the thread?

Also you guys need to be more PC and stop being so mean to Mr. Trump.
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Its hilarious now that Trump backers suddenly have big problems with fake news.
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Yeah, I don't think the "documents" are likely to be verified or real.

On the other hand I don't think the intel agencies knowing they are 9 days away from reporting to Trump would just write down some random hunch without a lot behind it, and zero people, Trump included, have denied the agencies made such a report. He's only arguing about the validity of the report, not whether it was delivered. They'll pay for it, especially since someone else fairly predictably leaked it. I just can't see a motive for the CIA and others to try to get Trump even more worked up to fire all of them. I see nothing at all for them to gain here. So strong reason to believe that the Trump campaign was actively coordinating with a foreign power is very very concerning.
I have no idea how much is true of what's been flying around - it wouldnt surprise me either way - but I do think Trump is learning that it was a big mistake to publicly mess with the CIA. Yes he might be able to fire the Director and maybe a few top leaders, but that's a very large organization with a lot of institutional memory.

Every time a POTUS (or Senator or Congressman or...) goes to war with the CIA he gets some major blowback.

In some ways, this might be a useful warning shot to Trump from the people that have been more or less running things for awhile overseas.
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I have no idea how much is true of what's been flying around - it wouldnt surprise me either way - but I do think Trump is learning that it was a big mistake to publicly mess with the CIA. Yes he might be able to fire the Director and maybe a few top leaders, but that's a very large organization with a lot of institutional memory.

Every time a POTUS (or Senator or Congressman or...) goes to war with the CIA he gets some major blowback.


No one wants this to be true. Any of it. Because it will cause an upheaval of epic proportions at the VERY TOP of our leadership.

However, its imperative that this get investigated and debunked ( or proven ) asap. And i mean ASAP.

My long standing fear since Trump announced his candidacy and refused to issue his Tax Returns has been his ties with Russian money. Big Russian money. Which inevitably means Big Russian politicos.

I am withholding any comments until this story has fleshed itself out. I refuse to speculate what it does or can mean. I refuse to pick a side until investigations are complete.

But i can tell you that i cannot help but lean to the "there is some truth here" side because of the inherent and consistent secrecy from Trump side for pasy 18 months when it comes to his ties to Russia.
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So does this go down as one of the greatest trolls of all time?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...se_youre_fake/
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Stop it already, your grasping straws because your upset that Trump won the election. Nothing will come of this, just like the 50 other accusations prior to this one. You can take that to the bank. I'm so tired of the politically correct left and their poor sport attitudes. You all said Trump would be crying about how the rigged election did him in but you never dreamed it would be the politically correct left doing all the whining did you?
And I'm so tired of Trump supporters not knowing the difference between your and you're.
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So does this go down as one of the greatest trolls of all time?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...se_youre_fake/

The golden shower part of this story might be made up. We can only hope it is.

It doesn't discredit the story about the Russians having a blackmail file on Trump though.

Also, the reddit link you posted doesn't do provide any evidence that discredits the golden shower part of the story.
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You come across as the type to blindly follow the orders of someone that you like regardless of the lawfulness of the order. Remember the oath you took and remember Nuremberg.
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The golden shower part of this story might be made up. We can only hope it is.

It doesn't discredit the story about the Russians having a blackmail file on Trump though.

Also, the reddit link you posted doesn't do provide any evidence that discredits the golden shower part of the story.
They probably have one on everybody. This is the KGB we are talking about. They obviously had one on Hillary and associates and used it during the election.
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We will have to see how Trump responds. Care to speculate?

Does he deny the whole thing? Nasty intelligence folks are saying bad things about Putin, who is such a great leader?
Will our own agencies have to reveal it, Snowden-style since Trump will deny it for forever?
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They probably have one on everybody. This is the KGB we are talking about. They obviously had one on Hillary and associates and used it during the election.

Well, that's what this thread is about, not goldenshowers.

CNN wasn't reporting about golden showers.

CNN has never reported about golden showers.

The report in the OP of this thread is still relevant.
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This may or may not be true but I do like to keep perspective and years of context and I contrast how the media have run with "unsubstantiated reports" on this President elect vs much better sourced and documented facts about others.


Interesting times.

Netanyahu said to have offered Lewinsky tapes for Pollard | The Times of Israel


The Cigar | Pew Research Center
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I just think it's hard to engage reasonably with someone who is going on about people 'just being mad that Trump got elected' and saying things like "libbies" and "I served my country what have you done" but not actually discussing the topic at hand or the plausibility of this scenario being true or even being willing to even just humor the audience with "let's say it were true...this is how I'd feel about it and what I think should happen as a result" even if when he walks away from the discussion he says to himself "It'll never be true. The liberals on this site are delusional"

Instead he's just spewing psychobabble that tries to play itself off as depth. So the only way I know how to respond to that is with pettiness (though probably better to not respond at all). Clearly, thoughtful discussion with him about the circumstances presented to all of us at this time, true or not, is not going to occur.
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Every time a POTUS (or Senator or Congressman or...) goes to war with the CIA he gets some major blowback.
Sometimes he gets blown back and to the left.

Considering the staggering amount of coverage that Comey's second bite at the apple got in the leadup to the election, the fact that this news was lightly reported, and never with any detail, really gives lie to this constant refrain about the "liberal media" that favors one party over the other, doesn't it?
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