Falcons fans are disgusted by Gleason's statue

[Bullethead527]

Sam Mills has a staute at BofA



I know he played for the Saints most of his career, and only played with us for 3 years and was a position coach for us until his death, But his Keep Pounding moto, is legendary in Carolina. Sam Mills means a lot to us Carolina fans, and for a Falcon fans to get all bent out of shape, over a statue of a man that is fighting for his life, is stupid as hell. As a Panther fan, naturally you have to hate your rivals, but mainly on game day. But if it was a Panther punter getting his punt blocked during the Saints 1st home game, since one of the most tragic natural disasters in US History, I would have no problem with it at all.

PS I want John Kasay back LOL

[IonSen88]

Originally Posted by zknotts61

Falcons fans need to relax. This moment, IMO, is the greatest moment in Saints history. I was 13 years old when that happened and was watching the game here at my home in Shreveport with a Falcon fan. When Steve blocked the punt, I went nuts, but then I began to cry my eyes out. And the Falcon fan teared up too, because he saw something miraculous just happen. It was more than football and apparently, most Falcon fans are too ignorant to see past that. This was what New Orleans needed to see.

Let us have this moment. Steve gave everything he had to the Saints and we are honoring him and not dishonoring the Falcons with this statue.

Good post.

[St. Pike]

Originally Posted by IonSen88

Eww!
No sir; the concept of having multicolored seats (which was needed upon installation),... the concept of having worse attendance figures than Atlanta....

I am sorry, but what source are you basing your opinion. I just looked at the season by season attendance record of the New Orleans Saints and the Atlanta Falcons, and I can see no evidence of this. I believe the lowest attended game was 57,000. This was the last game of the 1974 season. In 1973. The 9-5 Falcons (out of the playoff hunt) tallied only 34,000 for the last home game.

Now, there was a drop off in attendance each year the Saints played, but this could be explained by the lack of wins during the season. The Year started off between 70,000 to 80,000 and would finished somewhere in the mid 60,000. The figure would be higher if the team playing in the last home game was one of the better teams in the NFL or Atlanta. In this case, it was in the lower 70,000.

I realize that Tulane Stadium had a larger capacity compared to Fulton County Stadium; but considering the disparity in wins between the Saints and the Falcons, the Saints easily outdrew the Falcons in attendance.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

the concept of having players to buy playoff tickets (to avoid a playoff TV blackout), ...., the concept of being relocated a handful of years ago is what I equate to the fair-weatherness that I speak of. You are tragically misinformed and your post is not very well put together (but then again, nothing in China is).

I do not recall Saints players buying playoff tickets. For our first playoff game, I slept in line to earn the chance to see in person our first playoff game. Given how far off you were on your first point, I should conclude this is projection.

There was only the speculation of relocation. I do not believe the saints were ever in real danger of relocation.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

You are tragically misinformed and your post is not very well put together (but then again, nothing in China is).

I hope you know I am not Chinese. I am New Orleans Native working in China as a teacher. In any event, I like how people slam China. Almost everything you have is either wholly built in China or as a part in it that was made in China. Almost everything you own is either made in China, Taiwan or some other Asian country. If you want to hate China for providing you with products you use everyday, be my guess. It speaks to your lack of knowledge of economics and international trade. In the end, We (Americans) are as paranoid as the Chinese are conceited.

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[IonSen88]

Originally Posted by St. Pike

I am sorry, but what source are you basing your opinion. I just looked at the season by season attendance record of the New Orleans Saints and the Atlanta Falcons, and I can see no evidence of this. I believe the lowest attended game was 57,000. This was the last game of the 1974 season. In 1973. The 9-5 Falcons (out of the playoff hunt) tallied only 34,000 for the last home game.

Now, there was a drop off in attendance each year the Saints played, but this could be explained by the lack of wins during the season. The Year started off between 70,000 to 80,000 and would finished somewhere in the mid 60,000. The figure would be higher if the team playing in the last home game was one of the better teams in the NFL or Atlanta. In this case, it was in the lower 70,000.

I realize that Tulane Stadium had a larger capacity compared to Fulton County Stadium; but considering the disparity in wins between the Saints and the Falcons, the Saints easily outdrew the Falcons in attendance.

There is no opinion; behind is behind and figures are figures. My numbers come from years of logging that started 10 years ago on ballparks.com and espn.com. What you will find on ballparks.com after you select a venue, is attendance figures dating back to about 1992 or 1993. They're in annual form (which needs to be divided by 8 of course); but since that point, the Falcons have averaged higher attendance per game than the Saints.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with "disparity in wins", but you hit the nail right on the head. Tulane Stadium and the Superdome had a much higher capacity than the Fulton County Stadium, which is why comparing average attendance figures before 1992 or 1993 is rather pointless. While the Falcons played in Fulton County stadium, our teams did not see much success at all anyway. In fact, nothing before 2008 could even be considered success. Our franchise just claimed back-to-back winning seasons here recently and the 1970s and 1980s were full of 4-10 or 3-13 campaigns. "Do we have fans"? Get real; at the end of the day, despite the fact we lack a league's championship, our games are sold-out and the Saints games are too, but New Orleans is HARDLY Green Bay. I just think some of your brainwashed bandwagonteers forget that.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

I do not recall Saints players buying playoff tickets. For our first playoff game, I slept in line to earn the chance to see in person our first playoff game. Given how far off you were on your first point, I should conclude this is projection.

There was only the speculation of relocation. I do not believe the saints were ever in real danger of relocation.

CNNSI.com - 2001 NFL Playoffs - Saints, Eagles avoid local television blackouts

Sure this was in 2000/2001, but there's still no excuse. I'm grateful that CNN has kept this link up for all of these years. The bottom-line is that while the Saints have been marked for supporting the Saints since 2006 (which New Orleans has only seen one losing season since), the Saints played in New Orleans before 2006, and the support that the Saints are receiving now hasn't always been there. You and I both know it.

The Saints being up for relocation was not just speculation. Benson was quoted saying: "There are many factors that will affect the future location of our team," Benson said. "That is also true of many other New Orleans-based companies that are faced with deciding their future homes." He said he would make no decisions about the team's future until the 2005 season was over.". Because of the overwhelming support since 2006, relocation never came about. Did relocation happen? No. Was it discussed and considered? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

I hope you know I am not Chinese. I am New Orleans Native working in China as a teacher. In any event, I like how people slam China. Almost everything you have is either wholly built in China or as a part in it that was made in China. Almost everything you own is either made in China, Taiwan or some other Asian country. If you want to hate China for providing you with products you use everyday, be my guess. It speaks to your lack of knowledge of economics and international trade. In the end, We (Americans) are as paranoid as the Chinese are conceited.

Almost nothing I own is made from China. I had a very good idea that you were not Chinese, your avatar just made it too easy. Excuse me, but I'm not the biggest fan of Korea, China or Japan (obvious reasons) for that matter. I don't own much from China (if anything at all -- it's probably a battery) because there isn't much that lasts from that place. If you know much (or anything at all) about economics or 'international trade', you'd know that China is mainly used for their cheap labor and production costs, not their amazing craft.

[Broadmoor74]

Originally Posted by Bullethead527

PS I want John Kasay back LOL

I can just see it now: Garrett Hartley beats out Kasay in camp. Kasay goes back to Carolina. Kasay goes back to murdering our hearts.

[Bullethead527]

Originally Posted by Broadmoor74

I can just see it now: Garrett Hartley beats out Kasay in camp. Kasay goes back to Carolina. Kasay goes back to murdering our hearts.

LOL, that is wrong man......

[St. Pike]

Originally Posted by IonSen88

There is no opinion; behind is behind and figures are figures. My numbers come from years of logging that started 10 years ago on ballparks.com and espn.com. What you will find on ballparks.com after you select a venue, is attendance figures dating back to about 1992 or 1993. They're in annual form (which needs to be divided by 8 of course); but since that point, the Falcons have averaged higher attendance per game than the Saints.

I am not sure what you mean. I checked Ballparks.com and all but two season, the Superdome's average attendance was greater than the Georgia Dome. This is actually beside the point. We were discussing the need for the Saints to have multicolored seats. I already shown that this was not necessary.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

I'm not sure what you're getting at with "disparity in wins", but you hit the nail right on the head. Tulane Stadium and the Superdome had a much higher capacity than the Fulton County Stadium, which is why comparing average attendance figures before 1992 or 1993 is rather pointless.

Actually, it isn't pointless. If we were discussing the number of fans attending, then would would have an issue with capacity size. The debate isn't that. The debate is about the support the team received despite not winning. Just because Tulane Stadium can hold 80,000 people doesn't mean that would encourage people would attend games when the tea, is doing poorly. The fact is the Saints drew 60,000 + despite the fact the team was playing poorly.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

While the Falcons played in Fulton County stadium, our teams did not see much success at all anyway. In fact, nothing before 2008 could even be considered success. Our franchise just claimed back-to-back winning seasons here recently and the 1970s and 1980s were full of 4-10 or 3-13 campaigns. "Do we have fans"? Get real; at the end of the day, despite the fact we lack a league's championship, our games are sold-out and the Saints games are too, but New Orleans is HARDLY Green Bay. I just think some of your brainwashed bandwagonteers forget that.

The lack of a back to back winning season as nothing to do with the fact only 34,000 manage to come see a 9-5 team play in the last week of the season.

I do not get the Green Bay reference. I never argued the size of the metro area of New Orleans.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

CNNSI.com - 2001 NFL Playoffs - Saints, Eagles avoid local television blackouts

Sure this was in 2000/2001, but there's still no excuse. I'm grateful that CNN has kept this link up for all of these years.

The link made mentioned of players buying tickets,.... only an extension of time.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

The bottom-line is that while the Saints have been marked for supporting the Saints since 2006 (which New Orleans has only seen one losing season since), the Saints played in New Orleans before 2006, and the support that the Saints are receiving now hasn't always been there. You and I both know it.

You never presented any evidence to this. The Saints have always had great support.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

The Saints being up for relocation was not just speculation. Benson was quoted saying: "There are many factors that will affect the future location of our team," Benson said. "That is also true of many other New Orleans-based companies that are faced with deciding their future homes." He said he would make no decisions about the team's future until the 2005 season was over.". Because of the overwhelming support since 2006, relocation never came about. Did relocation happen? No. Was it discussed and considered? Absolutely.

Every team in negotiations used the threat of relocation as leverage. The after-match of Katrina was the only time I felt the team could relocate.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

Almost nothing I own is made from China. I had a very good idea that you were not Chinese, your avatar just made it too easy. Excuse me, but I'm not the biggest fan of Korea, China or Japan (obvious reasons) for that matter. I don't own much from China (if anything at all -- it's probably a battery) because there isn't much that lasts from that place. If you know much (or anything at all) about economics or 'international trade', you'd know that China is mainly used for their cheap labor and production costs, not their amazing craft.

Yes, as I said, this is the popular belief. its too bad it isn't the absolute truth. When I have time, I will be glad to illustrate this point.

--- off with the missus!

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[woohoosaint]

Originally Posted by SAINTS 12

Atlanta Falcons refuse to allow their symbols to be used in Steve Gleason statue at Superdome

Koenen is,evidently,is too classy to be a Falcon

[IonSen88]

Originally Posted by St. Pike

I am not sure what you mean. I checked Ballparks.com and all but two season, the Superdome's average attendance was greater than the Georgia Dome. This is actually beside the point. We were discussing the need for the Saints to have multicolored seats. I already shown that this was not necessary.

It's called an average for a reason. What I said was not very difficult to understand. On ballparks.com, there are the annual totals of fans that attended the selected venue. To get an average per game, you simply divide that annual number by the amount of home games played (which is 8). None of which is beside the point. The point actually is, Saints fans have no business calling out any fanbase in the NFL. Absolutely none. Some of your compadres did, and did so without merit or reasoning. Just out of ignorance or hatred.

In regards to the seats, you've yet to show a thing. It was necessary; and it was so much necessary that the Saints did it. Are you as blind as those who actually thought those seats were filled?

Originally Posted by St. Pike

Actually, it isn't pointless. If we were discussing the number of fans attending, then would would have an issue with capacity size. The debate isn't that. The debate is about the support the team received despite not winning. Just because Tulane Stadium can hold 80,000 people doesn't mean that would encourage people would attend games when the tea, is doing poorly. The fact is the Saints drew 60,000 + despite the fact the team was playing poorly.

This portion of your post isn't very legible.

That isn't the debate either. You're getting away from just about everything that was initially stated. What you replied was in direct response to me mentioning that the Saints have been behind the Falcons in attendance (beginning in 1993) after we entered the Georgia Dome. Volume nor capacity is at question, and the reason it's not is because neither team routinely packed the venues to the brim. The fact is, we've seated more fannies at our games.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

The lack of a back to back winning season as nothing to do with the fact only 34,000 manage to come see a 9-5 team play in the last week of the season.

I do not get the Green Bay reference. I never argued the size of the metro area of New Orleans.

I'm glad you never argued that, and please don't. The Green Bay reference comes from the implication that some of these front-running bandwagoners here believe that the Saints have always gotten Green Bay type of support; which isn't accurate.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

The link made mentioned of players buying tickets,.... only an extension of time.

Surely you've noticed the only photo on the page.
~ "Saints tight end Andrew Glover did his part to eliminate the blackout, picking up 23 tickets on Wednesday afternoon." Associated Press.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

You never presented any evidence to this. The Saints have always had great support.

Please. I've listed a number of fact-oriented bullets. All you've said is the Saints have always had great support, which isn't very accurate either and the links I've provided demonstrate that.

Originally Posted by St. Pike

Every team in negotiations used the threat of relocation as leverage. The after-match of Katrina was the only time I felt the team could relocate.

My statement isn't based on how you felt St. Pike; it's based on the discussions that went on related to moving the Saints elsewhere. Cities of stable NFL franchises do not discuss relocation, nor is that ever a thought. That wasn't the case with the New Orleans Saints, leverage or not.

[Saints 4 life]

Originally Posted by swordstrike

You got a link to it? I lost it, but it was a link that needs to be snapshotted and archived because it was legendary.

No. They deleted the thread too

[woohoosaint]

Originally Posted by Bullethead527

Sam Mills has a staute at BofA



I know he played for the Saints most of his career, and only played with us for 3 years and was a position coach for us until his death, But his Keep Pounding moto, is legendary in Carolina. Sam Mills means a lot to us Carolina fans, and for a Falcon fans to get all bent out of shape, over a statue of a man that is fighting for his life, is stupid as hell. As a Panther fan, naturally you have to hate your rivals, but mainly on game day. But if it was a Panther punter getting his punt blocked during the Saints 1st home game, since one of the most tragic natural disasters in US History, I would have no problem with it at all.

PS I want John Kasay back LOL

As a Saints fan I appreciate that,you as a rival Panthers fan,get the meaning of this statue.It's unfortunate that there are some who don't get it.

This statue is to honor a man that is fighting for his life,who was a part of history,that brought hope to a city that had been through such a tragic situation.

And finally...no,you cannot have John Kasay back!!

[woohoosaint]

Originally Posted by Saints 4 life

No. They deleted the thread too

Imagine that!!! Those turds are still reeling from the Saints winning a Super Bowl

Those idiots blame Eugene Robinson for the Falcons getting pummeled by the Broncos in Super Bowl XXXIII.
Sure...he loved hookers,but it wasn't like the guy was the starting quarterback.

[Madhattr]

I know its a panther on Sam Mills helmet but the uniform sure looks black and gold to me.

[St. Pike]

Originally Posted by IonSen88

That isn't the debate either. You're getting away from just about everything that was initially stated. What you replied was in direct response to me mentioning that the Saints have been behind the Falcons in attendance (beginning in 1993) after we entered the Georgia Dome. Volume nor capacity is at question, and the reason it's not is because neither team routinely packed the venues to the brim. The fact is, we've seated more fannies at our games.

I responded to your statement about the "History of the Seats." I simply "guessed" on what you were referring to.... that is the seats were multicolored to give the illusion that the seats were filled. I stated that it turned out to be unecessary because the team was well supported anyway. I illustrated that attendance at Saints games were on average above 60,000 thousands, which is pretty good considering how poorly they played in the sixties and early seventies.
This was the extent of my argument. You then threw in a whole lot of other boloney.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

It's called an average for a reason. What I said was not very difficult to understand. On ballparks.com, there are the annual totals of fans that attended the selected venue. To get an average per game, you simply divide that annual number by the amount of home games played (which is 8).

Wonderful I am getting a math lesson. Unfortunately, wouldn't the attendance total include all Saints games and not just the regular season? So, this would include the pre- season games as well? No?

Originally Posted by IonSen88

None of which is beside the point. The point actually is, Saints fans have no business calling out any fanbase in the NFL. Absolutely none. Some of your compadres did, and did so without merit or reasoning. Just out of ignorance or hatred.

Atlanta is notorious in the sports world for not supporting their sports teams.
In any event, studies showed that team that show success in one season should/ ought to show a rise in attendance the following year. As you noted, Atlanta had winning season throughout its history. Though it did not have back to back winning seasons, Atlanta should have higher attendance than New Orleans who had suffered through a very long and sustained losing streak. Moreover, since neither one of us actually did a detail study, it is impossible for either of us to make any definitive claim. What Saints fans are claiming is the reputation that Atlanta has gained due to lack of support for its sports teams in general. New Orleans Saints fans do not have such a "fickle" reputation. Its dubious for you to suggest hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

I'm glad you never argued that, and please don't. The Green Bay reference comes from the implication that some of these front-running bandwagoners here believe that the Saints have always gotten Green Bay type of support; which isn't accurate.

This is another supposition on your part. No one compared attendance to Green Bay Packers. Saints fans have a reputation of supporting a losing franchise. That is a far stretch from claiming we pack in Green Bay like numbers or support.

Originally Posted by IonSen88

My statement isn't based on how you felt St. Pike; it's based on the discussions that went on related to moving the Saints elsewhere. Cities of stable NFL franchises do not discuss relocation, nor is that ever a thought. That wasn't the case with the New Orleans Saints, leverage or not.

The issue of relocation came about because of the uneven agreement the state made with the team in the previous deal. The state wanted to re- work the deal. Benson had a good thing and used everything in his arsenal to do so. Again, the relocation had nothing to do with lack of fan support. This has NEVER been questioned in New Orleans. This issue is a red herring.

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[GeauxSainz]

Originally Posted by Bullethead527

Sam Mills has a staute at BofA



I know he played for the Saints most of his career, and only played with us for 3 years and was a position coach for us until his death, But his Keep Pounding moto, is legendary in Carolina. Sam Mills means a lot to us Carolina fans, and for a Falcon fans to get all bent out of shape, over a statue of a man that is fighting for his life, is stupid as hell. As a Panther fan, naturally you have to hate your rivals, but mainly on game day. But if it was a Panther punter getting his punt blocked during the Saints 1st home game, since one of the most tragic natural disasters in US History, I would have no problem with it at all.

PS I want John Kasay back LOL

Class. You have it.

Thank you.