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Reddoctober · 12-23-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BoNcHiE

No he's not and yeah, I can tell relative speed watching them both in comparable situations. Believe what you want. Saying he's much faster is just laughable.

The original argument was about Sproles ability as a player compared to Reggie.

You can say he runs a 5.5. It doesn't change anything. He's still as good of a RB as Reggie. Chasing rabbits about his speed doesn't change that.

Haters gonna hate

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 08:25 AM

Guys just give up. Bonchie will never admit he is wrong. When everyone else on here admits RB is faster he just changes his argument to, well faster or not he is better than RB. Bonchie, just admit you were wrong. We all know you are and just try to say anything you can to trash RB. You were like that when he was here so why would you change now?

diat150 · 12-23-2011, 08:35 AM

who cares who is faster? sproles is close to breaking the all time yardage record, and nearly has as many offensive yards as bush on just over half the touches.

speed is a very overrated aspect of a rb's skillset IMHO.

oh and btw, bonchie was a very adamant bush supporter for many many years.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WeatherfordRob

Guys just give up. Bonchie will never admit he is wrong. When everyone else on here admits RB is faster he just changes his argument to, well faster or not he is better than RB. Bonchie, just admit you were wrong. We all know you are and just try to say anything you can to trash RB. You were like that when he was here so why would you change now?

"Everyone else" includes two guys with Reggie Bush avatars and one other person.

Reading comprehension is key. Go back to where the speed argument started and you'll see it was a discussion about Sproles being as good as Reggie and having the ability to do what Reggie is doing in Miami (never did I say better although I can make that argument if you'd like).

As happens on forums, it immediately tails off into "omggz he's not as fast as Bush, here's their 40 times 7 years ago" and we chase that rabbit for two pages.

I still say that's BS, but hey, even if you believe that it doesn't change my opinion on Sproles production ability compared to Bush's. So why continue to go in circles about their top speed?

Besides, the idea that I'm a "Bush" hater is just absolutely laughable. Forgive me for not licking his boots since he's left but at least have some initiative to go search out my opinions on Bush for the vast majority of his time here. A simple search will produce years of me making excuses and arguments for the guy.

It's like Bush has you guys in a trance. It's to the point where you'll talk down Sproles, who's clearly more efficient and productive, to elevate Bush once again in your own minds, always clinging to his speed as a last resort. The guy is a Dolphin. You don't have to obsessively protect him anymore. It's ok to admit that Sproles, who's averaging 6.5 a carry and 8.8 a catch, might be as good or better then him.

Meanwhile, I'll be watching that slow short guy who's obviously not better then Bush do what Bush never could do consistently here on Monday night and torch yet another defense this year.

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 08:46 AM

You need to comprehend what I wrote. I didn't say anythimg about being better. I said you are flat out wrong and won't admit it. Sproles is great and i love the guy. He has been more productive here than RB was but he is not nor ever has been as fast as Bush. Comprehend my friend.

dtc · 12-23-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BoNcHiE

What are you talking about?

For a page or so you've been arguing Sproles is faster and you can tell by watching them on TV. Then you shifted your argument to say Sproles is just better.

It was an entertaining shift.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WeatherfordRob

You need to comprehend what I wrote. I didn't say anythimg about being better. I said you are flat out wrong and won't admit it. Sproles is great and i love the guy. He has been more productive here than RB was but he is not nor ever has been as fast as Bush. Comprehend my friend.

Because I don't think he's faster, certainly not "much faster" as two people put it, and so I see nothing to admit. I think they are comparable speed wise today and seven year old 40 times (Sproles actually ran a 4.48 if we want to get technical) doesn't convince me of anything regarding who's as fast as who today in pads on Sundays.

That doesn't mean I'm going to keep wasting time running in circles about it. People can have their opinions. There are no facts about who's faster today because neither has been timed in over half a decade and Bush is several serious injuries removed from that USC pro-day. We can only go by what we perceive.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dtradin

For a page or so you've been arguing Sproles is faster and you can tell by watching them on TV. Then you shifted your argument to say Sproles is just better.

It was an entertaining shift.

Try clicking back a few pages. It might be helpful. Less entertaining, but helpful.

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Then you shifted your argument to say Sproles is just better.

That's where the argument started. There was no shift. The speed thing was a guy ignoring the totality of my original post and picking one thing to nit-pik. I could go edit that to "almost as fast" instead of "as fast as" and it wouldn't of changed the point of my original post; That Sproles is as good of a player and I see nothing in his game that says he couldn't go to Miami and succeed (the assertion being that Sproles is a "6th man basketball player" but Bush is a feature back; ironically the argument we heard against Bush for years, that his supporters fought tooth and nail against here, is now being used by the same supporters against the guy who took his place).

If you want to think Bush is light years faster, slightly faster, or anywhere in the middle be my guest.

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoNcHiE

Because I don't think he's faster, certainly not "much faster" as two people put it, and so I see nothing to admit. I think they are comparable speed wise today and seven year old 40 times (Sproles actually ran a 4.48 if we want to get technical) doesn't convince me of anything regarding who's as fast as who today in pads on Sundays.

That doesn't mean I'm going to keep wasting time running in circles about it. People can have their opinions. There are no facts about who's faster today because neither has been timed in over half a decade and Bush is several serious injuries removed from that USC pro-day. We can only go by what we perceive.

Wrong, but he keep your heels dug in.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WeatherfordRob

Wrong, but he keep your heels dug in.

I'll await your proof that you must have.

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 09:19 AM

They have 40 times on each player. That is more than you have now to "prove" Sproles is faster. My info might be 7 years old but your info doesn't even exist.

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 09:22 AM

And if you think you can tell a guys speed vs another guy by watching different games and different situations then you are truly gifted. Trash the stop watches guys, we are just going to send the human speed evaluator, Bonchie, to the combine.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WeatherfordRob

They have 40 times on each player. That is more than you have now to "prove" Sproles is faster. My info might be 7 years old but your info doesn't even exist.

My info is watching Sproles pull away from DB's in the open field. It's watching him hit the corner faster then Bush ever dreamed of doing here. It's watching him hit creases in the secondary that most backs can't dream of getting to before they converge.

You can keep your 7 years old 40 times in shorts.

Obviously Bush, after numerous knee surgeries, numerous ankle injuries, and a broken femur is still exactly as fast as he was six years ago at USC.

You win. Bush might have slightly higher top speed if both were running 40 yards straight in shorts today. If true, it still doesn't change anything about my beliefs in my original post that started all this, and that post had nothing to do with who's faster.

I've been around forums long enough to know what this is. It's "I can't prove his overall point wrong in his original post so I'll latch onto a single statement out of the ten that were made and insist I'm right on that for two pages." And I'm the one "shifting the argument?" Hardly.

WeatherfordRob · 12-23-2011, 09:38 AM

Hey I didn't nitpick anything. I said you are wrong in your belief that Sproles is faster, if not wrong you sute can't prove he is. Your assertion that you can tell by watching a tv is laughable at best.

BoNcHiE · 12-23-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WeatherfordRob

Hey I didn't nitpick anything. I said you are wrong in your belief that Sproles is faster, if not wrong you sute can't prove he is. Your assertion that you can tell by watching a tv is laughable at best.

Well, for starters I never said Sproles is faster.

Knowing what you are arguing might be helpful.

Here, let's get back on track and go back to where this started:

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Originally Posted by taydigga

Most backs do. Sproles is a 6th man type player. Ever notice a guy that plays 6th man in the NBA starts but isn't as good? I don't think Sproles would be as good as a feature back, he's been in his role his whole career and I think he accepted it from the jump. I don't think Bush ever accepted his role and thus he went to Miami and has a chance to do more than 1000.

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Originally Posted by BoNcHiE

What a ridiculous analogy.

Sproles would do fine in Miami as a "feature back," whatever that means.

I'd hardly call 194 carries through 14 games a huge "feature back" workload. It's an average workload and something Sproles could handle if asked.

Why some are now trying to turn this around on Sproles is beyond me. All he's done is be better then Reggie ever dreamed of being for us.

Maybe some should think about that before you turn into what you spent 5 years arguing against while Bush was still here. How many times did we hear Reggie couldn't be a "feature back?" Was that true? Then why is it true for Sproles?

He has no injury history, he's almost as fast as Reggie, he's as dangerous as Reggie in the open field, and he's just as powerful as Reggie. Give the guy his credit. It doesn't take anything away from Reggie to do so.

I even edited in an "almost" in there for you so we don't get hung up on that again