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Originally Posted by Rob Beaux
I remember the days when LC was gone. The discussion was a bit more mature. LC your better than this bro. You can get your point across with out being such a troll. Let the product on the field talk, unless thats is what your afraid of.
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how can you be a troll on a "college" board. If it were strictly for SEC fans then you might have a case on LC. But the original post has nothing in it that would even make it trolling anyway, he quoted an article.
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11-07-2009, 10:20 AM
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Rare breed, a troll with extra long horns.
BREAKING NEWS!!! Gators love burnt orange steak.
CHOMP!!!
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11-07-2009, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
They play football outside the SEC...
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They also play soccer outside of Europe, but no one gives a **** about that either...
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They also play soccer outside of Europe, but no one gives a **** about that either...
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Must admit, MLU is one of the best I've seen at the one-liner smack talk...
Well done!
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11-07-2009, 12:08 PM
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Personally I think when Bama is in the top 3 it's a great year. 
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11-07-2009, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
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They play football outside of Austin, Texas, too...what's the point?
The SEC has produced the national champion the last three years. An SEC team has been in the championship game 5 out of the 11 years the BCS system has been around, and has WON ALL FIVE. Can't really argue with that. If another conference whines that the SEC gets too much respect, then send a team that can beat us. Otherwise, get over it.
BCS National Championship Results
Season Date Winner Score Loser Score Site
1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St. 2 Orange Bowl
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14 Rose Bowl
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24 Fiesta Bowl
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14 Sugar Bowl
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 Orange Bowl
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38 Rose Bowl
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14 BCS National Championship
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24 BCS National Championship
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14 BCS National Championship
SEC: represented in the BCSCG 5 times; won all 5.
Big 12: represented in the BCSCG 6 times; won 2.
PAC 10: represented in the BCSCG 2 times; won 1.
Big 10 (aka "little 11" ): represented in the BCSCG 3 times; won 1.
ACC/Big East: represented in the BCSCG 6 times; won 2.
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11-07-2009, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by primadox
They play football outside of Austin, Texas, too...what's the point?
The SEC has produced the national champion the last three years. An SEC team has been in the championship game 5 out of the 11 years the BCS system has been around, and has WON ALL FIVE. Can't really argue with that. If another conference whines that the SEC gets too much respect, then send a team that can beat us. Otherwise, get over it.
BCS National Championship Results
Season Date Winner Score Loser Score Site
1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St. 2 Orange Bowl
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14 Rose Bowl
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24 Fiesta Bowl
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14 Sugar Bowl
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 Orange Bowl
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38 Rose Bowl
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14 BCS National Championship
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24 BCS National Championship
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14 BCS National Championship
SEC: represented in the BCSCG 5 times; won all 5.
Big 12: represented in the BCSCG 6 times; won 2.
PAC 10: represented in the BCSCG 2 times; won 1.
Big 10 (aka "little 11" ): represented in the BCSCG 3 times; won 1.
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A lot of you completely missed LC's point.
All he really said is that there are some good teams outside of the SEC. The apparent consensus on this board is that aren't any good teams outside the SEC because every thread about a non-SEC team is loaded with posts that "they're over-rated", "they wouldn't win a game in the SEC", "blah blah blah".
In fact, your statistics proved LC right since 7 of the BCSCG's have been won by non-SEC teams.
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11-07-2009, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jott
A lot of you completely missed LC's point.
All he really said is that there are some good teams outside of the SEC. The apparent consensus on this board is that aren't any good teams outside the SEC because every thread about a non-SEC team is loaded with posts that "they're over-rated", "they wouldn't win a game in the SEC", "blah blah blah".
In fact, your statistics proved LC right since 7 of the BCSCG's have been won by non-SEC teams.
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Actually, I think you missed the point. LC's trolling is old hat and it isn't fooling anybody.
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11-07-2009, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jott
A lot of you completely missed LC's point.
All he really said is that there are some good teams outside of the SEC. The apparent consensus on this board is that aren't any good teams outside the SEC because every thread about a non-SEC team is loaded with posts that "they're over-rated", "they wouldn't win a game in the SEC", "blah blah blah".
In fact, your statistics proved LC right since 7 of the BCSCG's have been won by non-SEC teams.
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I think most of us are saying that there are good teams, but in terms of overall CONFERENCE strength, it's hard to beat the SEC. Many undefeated teams in another conference wouldn't enjoy the same record within the SEC. And as illustrated in my post, when an SEC team has made it to the big game, they HAVE WON.
And how did my stats prove LC correct? First, the SEC was not in any of those games, including one year that an undefeated Auburn team was not invited, so how could they win a game they didn't have a team in? The strength of the SEC those years usually caused its teams to have a defeat on record, which didn't match up BCS-wise against the teams that had an easier conference road to an undefeated season. And out of the 6 conferences represented in the BCS games so far, the SEC has been the winner of almost half the BCS games played to date. Not a great stat if there is only one other BCS conference, but there are FIVE others (6 if you count Notre Dame as its own entity). Bottom line, the SEC has won more than twice the number of championships as any other conference. That stat speaks for itself, IMO.
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11-07-2009, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by primadox
I think most of us are saying that there are good teams, but in terms of overall CONFERENCE strength, it's hard to beat the SEC. Many undefeated teams in another conference wouldn't enjoy the same record within the SEC. And as illustrated in my post, when an SEC team has made it to the big game, they HAVE WON.
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We get that. Half of every thread that's not about an SEC team says nothing but that. No one cares to look at any other team's schedule--if it's not in the SEC it's all crap. We get it. We've heard it over and over and over and over. LC was pointing out the myopic view that so many people hold that there aren't any good teams outside of the SEC. Read every thread about any highly ranked non-SEC team if you disagree with me. You don't get past the 5th post without someone dragging out the same old tired SEC argument. What about Florida? They're going to go the SEC championship game playing no team ranked higher than say 15th.
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And how did my stats prove LC correct? First, the SEC was not in any of those games, including one year that an undefeated Auburn team was not invited, so how could they win a game they didn't have a team in? The strength of the SEC those years usually caused its teams to have a defeat on record, which didn't match up BCS-wise against the teams that had an easier conference road to an undefeated season. And out of the 6 conferences represented in the BCS games so far, the SEC has been the winner of almost half the BCS games played to date. Not a great stat if there is only one other BCS conference, but there are FIVE others (6 if you count Notre Dame as its own entity). Bottom line, the SEC has won more than twice the number of championships as any other conference. That stat speaks for itself, IMO.
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BECAUSE THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT COMPARING CONFERENCES. The SEC people turn every thread into a comparison of conferences. This thread is about the fact that there ARE good teams outside of the SEC. IT IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT OTHER CONFERENCES BEING BETTER THAN THE SEC. The fact that you pointed out that 7 non-SEC teams have won national championships proves the fact that there are good teams outside of the SEC.
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11-07-2009, 11:59 PM
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11-08-2009, 12:03 AM
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When has anyone said there weren't good football teams outside the SEC? Is this something that really needed to be said? I just assumed it.
I think the counter-point that fans of SEC teams attempt to make is that you can throw out whatever statistics you choose to bring up. UF might not have run a gaunlet this year, but what will inevitably happen is a BCS CG matchup against an Ohio State, SC, OU, Texas, etc. that many feel is vastly superior and [SEC Team of Your Choice] ends up winning a game that's not nearly as close as the score indicates.
No one gives a **** about the strength of schedule, the out of conference schedule, etc. The ONLY thing that matters is the hardware at the end of the season.
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11-08-2009, 12:10 AM
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When has anyone said there weren't good football teams outside the SEC? Is this something that really needed to be said? I just assumed it.
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Name them.
The best teams in the PAC-10 in recent years have been OSU and Penn State. I've yet to see much respect for them. In the PAC-10 the best team has been USC. In the Big-12 it's been Oklahoma and Texas. I haven't seen much respect for any of them. Every thread about any of those teams usually ends up in an "SEC is great" thread that concludes that the respective team would lose at least 3-4 games in the SEC.
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11-08-2009, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MLU
When has anyone said there weren't good football teams outside the SEC? Is this something that really needed to be said? I just assumed it.
I think the counter-point that fans of SEC teams attempt to make is that you can throw out whatever statistics you choose to bring up. UF might not have run a gaunlet this year, but what will inevitably happen is a BCS CG matchup against an Ohio State, SC, OU, Texas, etc. that many feel is vastly superior and [SEC Team of Your Choice] ends up winning a game that's not nearly as close as the score indicates.
No one gives a **** about the strength of schedule, the out of conference schedule, etc. The ONLY thing that matters is the hardware at the end of the season.
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No one said otherwise. And you're going to play the disrespect card? That might have been rational 4-5 years ago, but that certainly hasn't been true the past few years.
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11-08-2009, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jott
No one said otherwise. And you're going to play the disrespect card? That might have been rational 4-5 years ago, but that certainly hasn't been true the past few years.
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How am I playing the disrespect card? When has the SEC been the victim of disrespect?
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Seems to me that you are just jealous. Enjoy the next few games you got before Florida romps you.
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11-08-2009, 01:04 AM
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How am I playing the disrespect card? When has the SEC been the victim of disrespect?
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Auburn's perfect season comes to mind...
But you are right in that the SEC is generally well-respected these days, but not well liked. Everyone is too busy trying to promote USC and Notre Dame, the little guy Boise, etc.
And when you're on top of college football, you constantly have to deal with the little toy dogs constantly yipping at your ankles. It's annoying. Therefore SEC fans just would rather punt the little doggies across the field by slapping our hardware onto the table than to listen to the constant little doggie barks.
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1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
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That's the last time the SEC won the BCS while going undefeated.
There has to be a standard. A team should win the BCS, and, beat the system by going undefeated.
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11-08-2009, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by longhornjeff
That's the last time the SEC won the BCS while going undefeated.
There has to be a standard. A team should win the BCS, and, beat the system by going undefeated.
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that game still ****** me off.
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They also play soccer outside of Europe, but no one gives a **** about that either...
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11-09-2009, 04:22 AM
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Take your drivel back to the "pool party" noone gives a damn about your worthless, uneducated Midwestern opinion on football until your pathetic conference has more competitive teams. Until then watch more football 
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11-09-2009, 10:14 AM
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and yet which team has the longest winning streak? I dont see the reason for your trolling now...... Texas wins out you get your shot at a title..... win that game and give the writers a chance to talk about another conference other than the SEC
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Agreed. Florida didn't get to be number 1 by this season alone. They have not lost since the Ole Miss game last year, beating #1 Alabama in the SECCG, # 2 Oklahoma in the BCSCG, #4 LSU in Baton Rouge, and every team they've faced. The SEC has won the NC the past 3 years - 2006 - UF, 2007 - LSU, 2008 - UF. Oklahoma was the best team in the Big 12 last year, and they were beaten, soundly, by the Gators. Should Texas be the best team in the Big 12 this year, they too will have their chance.
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11-09-2009, 10:43 AM
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To translate for some of you SEC SEC fans,
"They play damn strong football outside of the SEC"
The way things are going, this is going to be a magical bowl season because everything will be so unpredictable. I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
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How 'bout them DAWGS!!!
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Originally Posted by jott
Name them.
The best teams in the PAC-10 in recent years have been OSU and Penn State. I've yet to see much respect for them. In the PAC-10 the best team has been USC. In the Big-12 it's been Oklahoma and Texas. I haven't seen much respect for any of them. Every thread about any of those teams usually ends up in an "SEC is great" thread that concludes that the respective team would lose at least 3-4 games in the SEC.
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When did Penn State join the PAC-10? Have I been asleep for a few years?
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Originally Posted by primadox
They play football outside of Austin, Texas, too...what's the point?
The SEC has produced the national champion the last three years. An SEC team has been in the championship game 5 out of the 11 years the BCS system has been around, and has WON ALL FIVE. Can't really argue with that. If another conference whines that the SEC gets too much respect, then send a team that can beat us. Otherwise, get over it.
BCS National Championship Results
Season Date Winner Score Loser Score Site
1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St. 2 Orange Bowl
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14 Rose Bowl
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24 Fiesta Bowl
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14 Sugar Bowl
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 Orange Bowl
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38 Rose Bowl
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14 BCS National Championship
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24 BCS National Championship
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14 BCS National Championship
SEC: represented in the BCSCG 5 times; won all 5.
Big 12: represented in the BCSCG 6 times; won 2.
PAC 10: represented in the BCSCG 2 times; won 1.
Big 10 (aka "little 11" ): represented in the BCSCG 3 times; won 1.
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1997 January 4, 1998 2 Nebraska 42, 3 Tennessee 17 Orange Bowl
1995 January 4, 1996 1 Nebraska 64, 2 Florida 24 Fiesta Bowl
I know you were talking BCS era, but I thought I'd throw this out there. (I had to, I'm a Husker!)
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This coming from the guy who relentlessly backed Laval and even was crying over him while coach M was on his way to win the national championship? Give me a break.
You clearly do not have the proper aptitude to determine quality.
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LC has a propensity to troll, but he is a quality poster when not stooping to those antics. Rob Beaux's aptitude on determining quality is just fine., IMO.
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LC has a propensity to troll, but he is a quality poster when not stooping to those antics. Rob Beaux's aptitude on determining quality is just fine., IMO.
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1. I wasn't even in the debate talking about the merits of LC's posts or not. The only thing I had posted in this thread at that time was a good-natured shot at Texas in a thread that a Texas fan created to attack my conference and school. That's just fair game if you ask me. So out of nowhere Rob wants to drag me into that fight by attacking me for no reason? Yea, definitely not going to let that one stand from an avid Laval supporter. Hey Rob, how many national championships did your lover win? And how many championships did the guy before and after him win? Case closed.
2. If LC wants to get a rise out of people, so be it. Its our decision to read and/or reply to him. We should all know by now what his intentions are anyways. Just like Rob wanted to get a rise out of me by bringing me into the fight out of nowhere, and it was my choice to comment back. If Rob wants to start another fight? Then he'll have to do a much better job this time than he did during the Laval and now the coach M. years. I have no problem pointing out his stupidity if he feels he just simply has to go there. However hopefully he'll just let this hopeless endeavour go and we can all return to the regularly scheduled broadcasts that is an LC rant regarding how his little dog and pony show of a conference actually matters somehow... Rob, I know you're still ****** about being soooooo wrong about Laval and my constantly calling you out for it. but let it go already. He got fired and replaced with a guy who can (and did) actually win a championship. It's over with dude. You lost.
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