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Old 03-26-2012, 02:45 PM   #361
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Understood which is why I noted those were my thoughts even if Zimmerman never faces legal consequences.

It's entirely possible that when all of the evidence is gathered, there won't be grounds to charge him (or enough to convict him).

Doesn't change the parts that don't appear in dispute:

Zimmerman called in a suspicious person based on appearances. He never asserted anything potentially criminal was taking place. Okay, fine, police can come check it out.

Also not being disputed -- he left his vehicle (known) and at some point was following Martin (by his own admission). He never should have done that in the first place and was eventually advised not to.

Legally, Zimmerman might be cleared of wrongdoing. My point is that, based on the revelations that don't appear in dispute, I believe he still used poor judgment which set in motion events that led to the death of Trayvon Martin. He's got fault, in that sense, even if not criminally.
yes the two paths crossed because of zimmerman, he doesnt sound like the type that should be doing "citizen patrol"
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I said he used poor judgment.

He got out of his car and chose to follow a "suspicious person". In fact, he felt concerned enough to call it in to police but not so concerned that following him on foot didn't seem like a bad idea? Did he consider that the "suspicious person" might be armed, too?

There's a lot of ways this could have gone wrong when Zimmerman made the choice to pursue and unfortunately, one of those ways came to pass. Now we're hearing the narrative that Zimmerman is a short and out-of-shape guy who was physically bested by a teenager. That, alone, might have been reason enough for him to stay in his car until police arrived on the scene.
wouldnt suprise me if the fact he was armmed didnt give him some confidence though in reality he isnt the who he thought he was and got beat down by another guy - from there i could see him being in total fear.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:03 PM   #363
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Did the police take photos of Zimmerman's injuries?
If they did, they should release them - really should have released them immediately after the incident.

If they did not take photos then they have harmed their own conclusion drawn from the investigation.
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Did the police take photos of Zimmerman's injuries?
If they did, they should release them - really should have released them immediately after the incident.

If they did not take photos then they have harmed their own conclusion drawn from the investigation.
I completely agree. I am not sure why they did not release them.
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While I do believe Zimmerman should be arrested at this point, how come all the images of Treyvon that are being circulated by the media are 4-5 years old?
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This goes back to my original statement that this was lazy reporting. Now with new facts are coming out from the police and not the media we get a new perspective of what happened. The truly sad part is we have all these racial issues / wedge created due to lazy and inflammatory reporting. If the new reports are true I hope some people in the media get their *** handed to them.
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This goes back to my original statement that this was lazy reporting. Now with new facts are coming out from the police and not the media we get a new perspective of what happened. The truly sad part is we have all these racial issues / wedge created due to lazy and inflammatory reporting. If the new reports are true I hope some people in the media get their *** handed to them.
What, specifically, is your problem with the "media"?
I posted an article that was dated within a week of the incident that talked about a witness claiming he saw Martin beating Zimmerman.
There were also a few other witnesses who claimed the police did not want to talk to them, etc.
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While I do believe Zimmerman should be arrested at this point, how come all the images of Treyvon that are being circulated by the media are 4-5 years old?
My personal opinion is they are inflaming the situation by making Martin look like a little kid instead of a young adult.
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He was part of a NW group...
No . He WAS the neighborhood watch "group" . It's not nearly the same as belonging to a sanctioned organization . He's a rascist . He's an idiot . He's a ***** if a 150# kid beat his 200# *** . He's got a cop-complex . There are a lot of valid conclusions one can draw here , but in no way is he a member of or affiliated with an actual NW organization .
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My personal opinion is they are inflaming the situation by making Martin look like a little kid instead of a young adult.
They absolutely are , but why should the redneck cops get to corner the market on D-Baggery ?
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They absolutely are , but why should the redneck cops get to corner the market on D-Baggery ?
Care to explain your remark. Why do you think these officers are redneck. It appears now they in fact have been doing their job and a lot of people have been jumping to conclusions .
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Care to explain your remark. Why do you think these officers are redneck. It appears now they in fact have been doing their job and a lot of people have been jumping to conclusions .


You are so incapable of believing that cops can do ANYTHING wrong that it blinds you from seeing when shoddy police work was done.
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You are so incapable of believing that cops can do ANYTHING wrong that it blinds you from seeing when shoddy police work was done.
And your incapable of believing the police are and can do their job. Investigations take time and the case should not be tried by the media. If you recall I said that I believed the shooter would be going to prison. I'm starting to have doubts now that facts of the case are being released.
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No . He WAS the neighborhood watch "group" . It's not nearly the same as belonging to a sanctioned organization . He's a rascist . He's an idiot . He's a ***** if a 150# kid beat his 200# *** . He's got a cop-complex . There are a lot of valid conclusions one can draw here , but in no way is he a member of or affiliated with an actual NW organization .

If you watch the video linked in the OP, they show a NW watch sign on the premises. Below is the pic of the sign at the twin Lakes complex. I am not sure what one has to do to get the sign posted but it seems that he or somebody took the effort to get a NW watch sign posted.


He was the self appointed Captain but it is not clear if he was the only person involved in the group. I wonder who answers the phone if you call that number on the sign???




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They absolutely are , but why should the redneck cops get to corner the market on D-Baggery ?
Who is the racist here?
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