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06-18-2009, 11:28 AM
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not so ******
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if Reggie scores 20+ TD's. will all the bust talk go away?
there has been much discussion all offseason with Bush having finished the last 2 years on IR and really not producing to the level many thought he would coming out of college. i feel if he can stay healthy, he is poised to have better numbers than at anytime in his previuos 3 years. a lot of people want to talk about his Rushing Yards and Yards Per Carry, but i'll say where Reggie's true worth should be measured is Touchdowns. he was leading the league in touchdowns before his injury last year, and i don't think anyone could aargue that he would have likely made the Pro Bowl in some capacity. now if you make the Pro Bowl in your 3rd year i don't see how anybody can think you could be a bust, but there are some people out there who will ultimately find something wrong in his game to critique. as much as i hate Pat Yasinskas (that Panther loving MF) he coudln't be more right in his latest blog about Bush. that he's not a traditional running back in the sense. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcsouth
so i pose the question. if Bush can stay healthy and score 20+ TD's will all this bust talk finally stop?
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06-18-2009, 11:31 AM
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I say no, I think the people who call him a bust will always find something negative to point out about an accomplishment he makes, first he was such a big threat out the backfield so the Reggie doubters pointed out his low rushing stats or rush average...so if he scores 20td's I hope he has 1300yrds rushing cause thats where they will attack...they'll find something...he'll never be good enough in some peoples eyes.
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06-18-2009, 11:32 AM
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WE ARE SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!
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Nope it doesn't matter what happens. There will always be Reggie haters, just a fact of life, i've grown very used to them, even chuckled at a few. :nod:
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06-18-2009, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by meily
I say no, I think the people who call him a bust will always find something negative to point out about an accomplishment he makes, first he was such a big threat out the backfield so the Reggie doubters pointed out his low rushing stats or rush average...so if he scores 20td's I hope he has 1300yrds rushing cause thats where they will attack...they'll find something...he'll never be good enough in some peoples eyes.
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06-18-2009, 11:39 AM
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yes, as long as he doesn't fumble 20 times
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06-18-2009, 11:41 AM
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The only player who'll produce 20+ touchdowns is Drew Brees (TD passes).
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06-18-2009, 11:44 AM
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The only way some people will ever give Reggie credit is if we win the Superbowl and he gets MVP. Otherwise people will say, "he didn't do this or didn't do that".
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06-18-2009, 11:46 AM
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No. Nomatter what Reggie does, there will always be people who find a fault in his game which makes him a "bust."
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06-18-2009, 11:48 AM
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The only player who'll produce 20+ touchdowns is Drew Brees (TD passes).
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There is no reason Reggie can't get 20+ total TD's. DeAngelo Williams scored 20 and that was from rushing and receiving. With Reggie also returning punts I could see it happen.
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06-18-2009, 11:51 AM
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i do understand there will always be Reggie haters, but they will look even more foolish than ever trying to call a guy who scores 20 TD's a bust. no matter how he accumulates them
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06-18-2009, 11:54 AM
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People will still say it, but I voted "Yes" because they'll have no credible leg to stand on because they'd officially be dead wrong and would know it.
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06-18-2009, 11:57 AM
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I don't think he'll have as many opportunities to carry the ball in the goal line offense. H. Evans, P. Thomas, and perhaps Mike Bell will also be used in short yardage situations. I posted in another thread that, if healthy, Bush will produce at least 1,500 yards of total offense and be a big part of the team's offense and special teams success. I think one of his big strengths will be as a 3rd down pass receiver coming out of the backfield. Preston Pearson made a living doing that for years with the Cowboys and was a good running back as well.
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06-18-2009, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuozzo67
I don't think he'll have as many opportunities to carry the ball in the goal line offense. H. Evans, P. Thomas, and perhaps Mike Bell will also be used in short yardage situations. I posted in another thread that, if healthy, Bush will produce at least 1,500 yards of total offense and be a big part of the team's offense and special teams success. I think one of his big strengths will be as a 3rd down pass receiver coming out of the backfield. Preston Pearson made a living doing that for years with the Cowboys and was a good running back as well.
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well he had 8 TD's thru 6 games last year and will get the same if not more opportunnities this year, so it's very attainable.
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06-18-2009, 12:11 PM
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Unless he tops 2000 APY, rushes for 1000, averages 5+ YPC, catches 75 passes, averages 10 YPR, scores 25 TDs, passes for 5 TDs, starts at safety, has -7 fumbles, cures every form of cancer, amputates his own leg himself as he is scoring a TD, and give all his money and possessions to charity, there will still be those who have something negative to say just because he was hyped so much.
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06-18-2009, 12:16 PM
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If im not mistaken, before he got hurt last year, he was leading the league in TD's with 8. It was four or five games into the season
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06-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NPs6724
Unless he tops 2000 APY, rushes for 1000, averages 5+ YPC, catches 75 passes, averages 10 YPR, scores 25 TDs, passes for 5 TDs, starts at safety, has -7 fumbles, cures every form of cancer, amputates his own leg himself as he is scoring a TD, and give all his money and possessions to charity, there will still be those who have something negative to say just because he was hyped so much.
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people would still say that he wasn't worth the number two overall pick
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06-18-2009, 12:34 PM
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20 TD's in a season is not that common, If he does it that means he played in at least 15 games, so yes, 7 rush, 10 rec, 3PR, he definately shakes the bust label
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06-18-2009, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Eman5805
People will still say it, but I voted "Yes" because they'll have no credible leg to stand on because they'd officially be dead wrong and would know it.
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One could argue that they have no credible leg to stand on right now...
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06-18-2009, 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NPs6724
Unless he tops 2000 APY, rushes for 1000, averages 5+ YPC, catches 75 passes, averages 10 YPR, scores 25 TDs, passes for 5 TDs, starts at safety, has -7 fumbles, cures every form of cancer, amputates his own leg himself as he is scoring a TD, and give all his money and possessions to charity, there will still be those who have something negative to say just because he was hyped so much.
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So basically, it all boils down to one question where Reggie is concerned:
Can he play safety?
***ducks and runs***
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06-18-2009, 12:57 PM
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With a "Reggie Bush", the goal of 20 or more TD's is very attainable!
First, he has to be given the chance, I'm positive he will be.
Second, this means he will be healthy for a whole season, I don't think he has such bad luck, that he'll be hurt every year. The goal of 20 isn't far-fetched.
A healthy Reggie could do 20-30 TD's in my opinion. (See) lil bitty Priest Holmes, and LaDainian Tomlinson! Its simply a "health" thing with the "beastly" Reggie Bush.
I just hope for the sake of our team, and Reggie's, that he doesn't hold that stigma of being "injury prone". I really hope the days of the "pest injury bug" is sprayed with Raid, and is, "no more".
Bottom-line: Reggie could score 30!
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06-18-2009, 01:02 PM
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The only way Reggie gets people completely off his back is if he has 1,000 yard rushing and receiving season while scoring 20+ TD's. Because anything else to most people is a bust.
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06-18-2009, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polo_haynes
With a "Reggie Bush", the goal of 20 or more TD's is very attainable!
First, he has to be given the chance, I'm positive he will be.
Second, this means he will be healthy for a whole season, I don't think he has such bad luck, that he'll be hurt every year. The goal of 20 isn't far-fetched.
A healthy Reggie could do 20-30 TD's in my opinion. (See) lil bitty Priest Holmes, and LaDainian Tomlinson! Its simply a "health" thing with the "beastly" Reggie Bush.
I just hope for the sake of our team, and Reggie's, that he doesn't hold that stigma of being "injury prone". I really hope the days of the "pest injury bug" is sprayed with Raid, and is, "no more".
Bottom-line: Reggie could score 30!
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06-18-2009, 01:31 PM
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Yes, he may still be called a bust. But we will all know the truth. ANd we should actually all know by now the truth. The guy is not a bust. He isn't an every down back either, but he is mnost definately not a bust.
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06-18-2009, 01:31 PM
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No..unless he has 5.0 YPC and 1,500 yards to go with it. The haters will still call him a bust..20 TD or not.
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06-18-2009, 03:12 PM
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My criticism of Bush has been his productivity as a running back ... any way you spin it, it's 3.7 yards per carry for 3 seasons. He needs to improve that figure to at least 4 yards or more per carry. By comparison, Pierre Thomas, over 2 seasons, averages 4.8 yards per carry.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BushRe00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...T/ThomPi00.htm
I would like to see him increase his overall rushing productivity because it will help the team win games, simple as that. It's not his fault regarding the Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders comparisons prior to the 2006 draft. After three seasons, it's clear that he's not that class of runner.
Let's give him a full 16-game season, and see what his numbers are. I think 1,500 yards is a realistic number considering Thomas, Bell, and Evans will get their share of playing time.
If this team is going to make the playoffs and advance, Bush will need to have a good season. He gives the offense a dimension in speed and elusiveness that none of the other backs have. He and Devrey Henderson are the proven "home-run" hitters on offense. Maybe Meachem and Shockey will also be that type of player, we'll have to wait and see.
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